JST Kickstart 1.3

Retro1234 · 20 July 2010, 12:54

I was just mucking about and found a old version of JST -JST 0.9c
and was very surprised that this ran on Kickstart 1.3
Of course this is totaly useless

but I found it intresting.
Does anyone have JST 1.x

JST V5

http://jotd.pagesperso-orange.fr/amiga.html

Fabie · 20 July 2010, 19:46

I have JST 1.4...it's the version I use always
in the zone now

jotd · 20 July 2010, 21:18

Useless on KS1.3 but fun to make JST HD version of Prince Of Persia work from floppy (for instance) provided you have 2MB of memory on your A500.

I'm glad that people still use this program 10 years after.

Abaddon · 20 July 2010, 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

Useless on KS1.3 but fun to make JST HD version of Prince Of Persia work from floppy (for instance) provided you have 2MB of memory on your A500.

I'm glad that people still use this program 10 years after.

It was an excellent program and I learned how to install games using it (with your help)

If anyone is looking for any JST installed games I think I have all the ones I had done as well as many others.

Fabie · 20 July 2010, 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

Useless on KS1.3 but fun to make JST HD version of Prince Of Persia work from floppy (for instance) provided you have 2MB of memory on your A500.

I'm glad that people still use this program 10 years after.

personally now I always use it as degrader to run some games or aga demos
jst xxx execute nocaches
but sinceraly I don't know why JST lost the battle with whdload
cause your program was better than whdload on ancient times

jotd · 20 July 2010, 22:08

thanks for your support (Hi Abaddon!!)

JST lost the battle when I realized that WHDLoad was way more stable on higher CPUs/MMU/"recent" boards and its simplicity in design ensured a great compatibility for slaves. Its "provide just the minimum function" philosophy helped it to be maintainable, and I was easily converted to WHDLoad (with Harry's great help) when I wanted to code slaves and no longer maintain JST, which was becoming big, buggy, and difficult even to generate (PhxAss bugs?).
WHDLoad offered Kickstart emulation, and I jumped on it too.

Yes, it still has the best degrader mode IMHO (68060 & multiscan support), and on ancient times it was better because of the tons of games supported. It's still of use in some cases (the "save state" mode was great to see in action), but the one who had to win the competition won: whdload and I'm glad it did because Bert is really nice, talented, and the rest of the team is too. The "old guard" made the fame of WHDLoad by adapting the best and thoughest games (Harry, Mr Larmer and ... Wepl)
Then the rest of the team took over to provide the other tough nuts

My only regret is not having started on WHDLoad earlier, because now I would be the one with the highest slave counter

A great adventure and very instructive.

Thanks for your positive comments much appreciated !!

There's no need for 2 programs of this type in 2010, the whdload/OS swap/MMU/"my board does not work"/"game is slow on my PPC" hell is better left to Bert

bye

Retro1234 · 21 July 2010, 00:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabie

I have JST 1.4...it's the version I use always
in the zone now

Excellent ill check it out

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

Useless on KS1.3 but fun to make JST HD version of Prince Of Persia work from floppy (for instance) provided you have 2MB of memory on your A500.

I'm glad that people still use this program 10 years after.

I tried a few games (Chuck Rock,Street Fighter 2, Addams Family) on a Kick 1.3 setup with JST0.9C AND 1.1 and they worked! I couldnt belive it

Yes a great peace of software I use to get installs from Amiga Format subscription disks and AFCD.

Also some games seem to work on a low spec of 2mb perfectly like Gods with HDLOAD and Street Fighter 2 with Lowmem

Also id like to ask what is the difference between LOWMEM and HDLOAD?

Anyway great bit of software but glad your doing WHDload installs now

Edit:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abaddon

It was an excellent program and I learned how to install games using it (with your help)

If anyone is looking for any JST installed games I think I have all the ones I had done as well as many others.

Yes Please I would be very intrested

Bamiga2002 · 21 July 2010, 05:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

I'm glad that people still use this program 10 years after.

Yes i still use it to launch some problematic games under WB with "JST Execute"

. Couple this with TUDE fiddling and you can "downgrade" pretty good to get some things working.

adolescent · 21 July 2010, 07:31

JST was great, I even registered back in the day. Still really handy as a degrader..

Jean-Francois - Are you ever going to add that PAL option I asked for?

Retro1234 · 21 July 2010, 09:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabie

I have JST 1.4...it's the version I use always
in the zone now

Thanks I tried it

The question of can you run WHDload on Kick 1.3 has come up a few times -JST 1.4 has WHDload emulation, tried a few old WHDload Game Slaves under Kick1.3 including Giana Sisters & BC Kid and they worked

jotd · 21 July 2010, 23:32

@booboo:

yup did not remember the whdload emu. Another cool use of JST. Bert must have hated me for that but now that's fixed

About the PAL option, I'm afraid I'll have trouble reassembling the whole shit. Well, I'll try.

The difference between LOWMEM and HDLOAD AFAIR is that HDLOAD does load small files, whereas LOWMEM does not load any files.
Well, the logic is not very logic in those options

The documentation must explain that. check that out.

The thing that JST does and what WHDLoad does not is the ability to accept to never return to the OS. In that case, you can run games like 1MB game Magic Pockets on a CD32 where WHDLoad insists to be able to save all memory to return back to WB.

JST sacrifices the quit option in that case and really destroys the WB, but the game runs (or just crashes badly

)

Thanks for all the supportive comments matez, that reminds me of cool programming moments.

Abaddon · 30 July 2010, 18:18

I'm uploading the 1st part of my jst installed games to the ftp in the Abaddon folder. I will upload more jst installed games when I get back next week.

Minuous · 31 July 2010, 12:24

Quote:

yup did not remember the whdload emu. Another cool use of JST. Bert must have hated me for that but now that's fixed

No reason to be hated, just because you are supporting an API!?

jotd · 31 July 2010, 14:10

Well, my emulation completely ignored the "must be registered" flag of some slaves. So you could play those games with WHDLoad registered, or JST unregistered.

Retro1234 · 07 August 2010, 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abaddon

I'm uploading the 1st part of my jst installed games to the ftp in the Abaddon folder. I will upload more jst installed games when I get back next week.

Thanks Dude

ill check it out as soon as possible - Ive bad access here in the Sticks -What folder is it in? Abaddon on the FTP seemed empty.

Think ive got it on the file server
JST Installed Games.rar
/Games/WHDLoad
Thanks again

lolafg · 08 August 2010, 12:41

Hello ,

is there a Goal! version using jst ?

thanks.

jotd · 08 August 2010, 13:49

no Goal version, but try WHDload slave of Goal with JST. Emulation works sometimes

Retro1234 · 10 August 2010, 22:22

Theres two GOAL installs here -Ive not tried them
http://home.wanadoo.nl/robertoh/g.html

jotd · 10 August 2010, 22:56

Did not remember I wrote one myself

You'll need a cracked version to use it, or try WHDLoad slave with WHDLoad emulation mode of JST

lolafg · 14 August 2010, 08:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

Theres two GOAL installs here -Ive not tried them
http://home.wanadoo.nl/robertoh/g.html

Thanks a lot Boo Boo

will have now to know how to install them...

20 July 2010, 12:54	#1
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	JST Kickstart 1.3 I was just mucking about and found a old version of JST -JST 0.9c and was very surprised that this ran on Kickstart 1.3 Of course this is totaly useless but I found it intresting. Does anyone have JST 1.x JST V5 http://jotd.pagesperso-orange.fr/amiga.html Last edited by Retro1234; 07 December 2017 at 20:04.

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20 July 2010, 19:46	#2
Fabie Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: France Posts: 478	I have JST 1.4...it's the version I use always in the zone now

20 July 2010, 21:18	#3
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,162	Useless on KS1.3 but fun to make JST HD version of Prince Of Persia work from floppy (for instance) provided you have 2MB of memory on your A500. I'm glad that people still use this program 10 years after.

20 July 2010, 22:08	#6
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,162	thanks for your support (Hi Abaddon!!) JST lost the battle when I realized that WHDLoad was way more stable on higher CPUs/MMU/"recent" boards and its simplicity in design ensured a great compatibility for slaves. Its "provide just the minimum function" philosophy helped it to be maintainable, and I was easily converted to WHDLoad (with Harry's great help) when I wanted to code slaves and no longer maintain JST, which was becoming big, buggy, and difficult even to generate (PhxAss bugs?). WHDLoad offered Kickstart emulation, and I jumped on it too. Yes, it still has the best degrader mode IMHO (68060 & multiscan support), and on ancient times it was better because of the tons of games supported. It's still of use in some cases (the "save state" mode was great to see in action), but the one who had to win the competition won: whdload and I'm glad it did because Bert is really nice, talented, and the rest of the team is too. The "old guard" made the fame of WHDLoad by adapting the best and thoughest games (Harry, Mr Larmer and ... Wepl) Then the rest of the team took over to provide the other tough nuts My only regret is not having started on WHDLoad earlier, because now I would be the one with the highest slave counter A great adventure and very instructive. Thanks for your positive comments much appreciated !! There's no need for 2 programs of this type in 2010, the whdload/OS swap/MMU/"my board does not work"/"game is slow on my PPC" hell is better left to Bert bye

21 July 2010, 07:31	#9
adolescent Powered by Motorola Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Age: 52 Posts: 1,065	JST was great, I even registered back in the day. Still really handy as a degrader.. Jean-Francois - Are you ever going to add that PAL option I asked for?

21 July 2010, 23:32	#11
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,162	@booboo: yup did not remember the whdload emu. Another cool use of JST. Bert must have hated me for that but now that's fixed About the PAL option, I'm afraid I'll have trouble reassembling the whole shit. Well, I'll try. The difference between LOWMEM and HDLOAD AFAIR is that HDLOAD does load small files, whereas LOWMEM does not load any files. Well, the logic is not very logic in those options The documentation must explain that. check that out. The thing that JST does and what WHDLoad does not is the ability to accept to never return to the OS. In that case, you can run games like 1MB game Magic Pockets on a CD32 where WHDLoad insists to be able to save all memory to return back to WB. JST sacrifices the quit option in that case and really destroys the WB, but the game runs (or just crashes badly ) Thanks for all the supportive comments matez, that reminds me of cool programming moments.

30 July 2010, 18:18	#12
Abaddon Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Chicago/USA Age: 54 Posts: 651	I'm uploading the 1st part of my jst installed games to the ftp in the Abaddon folder. I will upload more jst installed games when I get back next week.

31 July 2010, 14:10	#14
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,162	Well, my emulation completely ignored the "must be registered" flag of some slaves. So you could play those games with WHDLoad registered, or JST unregistered.

08 August 2010, 12:41	#16
lolafg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tours/France Age: 52 Posts: 1,233	Hello , is there a Goal! version using jst ? thanks.

08 August 2010, 13:49	#17
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,162	no Goal version, but try WHDload slave of Goal with JST. Emulation works sometimes

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Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Theres two GOAL installs here -Ive not tried them http://home.wanadoo.nl/robertoh/g.html

10 August 2010, 22:56	#19
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,162	Did not remember I wrote one myself You'll need a cracked version to use it, or try WHDLoad slave with WHDLoad emulation mode of JST

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