SysInfo reports AGA as does set patch. No AGA!

pixelsmack · 22 May 2017, 00:32

A4000 with 40.68 roms, WB3.1, and Buster v11. PICASSOIV with last firmware, Cyberstorm Mk1 68060 with last official updates, Tocatta.

All Amiga screen options in Prefs are NON AGA. Games and apps complain they can't open AGA screens.

??

emufan · 22 May 2017, 01:38

AFAIK aga chipset will get activated by c:setpatch command in your startup-sequence.

just start it in the cli/shell and post the results here. inlc version string:
version c:setpatch

pixelsmack · 22 May 2017, 01:59

Setpatch is running and when running again
It says it's already on.

-Acid- · 22 May 2017, 02:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by emufan

AFAIK aga chipset will get activated by c:setpatch command in your startup-sequence.

lol?! how would games and demos with custom boot loaders work exactly?

pixelsmack · 22 May 2017, 02:17

I wonder if the 68040 and 68060 library files from Phase5 might be causing an issue?

emufan · 22 May 2017, 02:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Acid-

lol?! how would games and demos with custom boot loaders work exactly?

see attached image, and read here, for example.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pixelsmack

I wonder if the 68040 and 68060 library files from Phase5 might be causing an issue?

you can try the MmuLib from aminet.

pixelsmack · 22 May 2017, 02:49

I'm seeing what you're showing in that image. Yet no AGA.

StingRay · 22 May 2017, 07:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Acid-

lol?! how would games and demos with custom boot loaders work exactly?

By using the hardware to check for AGA chipset. System friendly software does rely on Setpatch for that!

Toni Wilen · 22 May 2017, 08:31

Battery damage side-effect? SetPatch under A4000 detects AGA differently than A1200.

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=75663

pixelsmack · 22 May 2017, 08:44

Sadly looking more and more batteey damage. At least there's some redundacy with the ECS. Forward thinking in design? Heh.

-Acid- · 22 May 2017, 13:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

By using the hardware to check for AGA chipset. System friendly software does rely on Setpatch for that!

I had no idea it had to be enabled for WB, it seems a bit silly to have to enable it with software it should be the default status. You learn something new everyday!

Daedalus · 22 May 2017, 14:17

It's possibly for improved compatibility with older ECS software when booting from floppy. AGA software that doesn't use the OS doesn't need to have it enabled by SetPatch so it doesn't make a difference there.

As Toni says, it sounds like motherboard damage unfortunately...

grond · 22 May 2017, 16:11

Believe it or not but even the early boot menu doesn't display right if you enable AGA before it gets displayed. We tried this in the Vampire test cores with AGA enabled right after power up / reset. It turned out that the early boot menu only displays fine if you start in ECS mode. I think the reason was the DMA fetch mode and the copper lists being set up wrong for the wide AGA fetch mode.

daxb · 22 May 2017, 16:21

And why did you tried to enable AGA before Early-Startup-Menu?

grond · 22 May 2017, 16:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by daxb

And why did you tried to enable AGA before Early-Startup-Menu?

Because we naively thought that an AGA machine is an AGA machine right from the start.

daxb · 23 May 2017, 15:19

I would say an AGA machine is an AGA machine right from the start and I guess the average user too. However, what was the reason/goal for enable AGA before Early-Startup-Menu? E.g. have AGA screenmodes available for the menu? Other interesting stuff?

grond · 23 May 2017, 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by daxb

I would say an AGA machine is an AGA machine right from the start and I guess the average user too. However, what was the reason/goal for enable AGA before Early-Startup-Menu? E.g. have AGA screenmodes available for the menu? Other interesting stuff?

Not sure we are on the same page. The Apollo Team is currently implementing AGA as part of the Vampire Card for A500 and A600. This means that Vampire equipped A500s and A600s will not only have a superfast 68080 processor, RTG capabilities, 128 MB of lightning fast RAM and some more but will soon also have AGA capabilities. In one early test core this AGA add-on was running in AGA mode right from power-up which made us find out that this is not the way of doing it.

It seemed to be an interesting bit of information that even the very system itself cannot deal with that thus showing a messed up early startup Screen which is why I wanted to share this.

pixelsmack · 23 May 2017, 17:35

So now I need to sell my A4000 with its, PicassaIV, Tocatta, and 64mb 50mhz 68060 for an A500 and an Apollo card?

obitus1990 · 23 May 2017, 20:41

Karma.

Chucky · 23 May 2017, 23:02

no AGA on A4k.. well Batteryleakage have damaged the board. a (quite easy) repair is needed to be done.

22 May 2017, 00:32	#1
pixelsmack Registered User Join Date: May 2017 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 36	SysInfo reports AGA as does set patch. No AGA! A4000 with 40.68 roms, WB3.1, and Buster v11. PICASSOIV with last firmware, Cyberstorm Mk1 68060 with last official updates, Tocatta. All Amiga screen options in Prefs are NON AGA. Games and apps complain they can't open AGA screens. ??

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22 May 2017, 01:38	#2
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	AFAIK aga chipset will get activated by c:setpatch command in your startup-sequence. just start it in the cli/shell and post the results here. inlc version string: version c:setpatch

22 May 2017, 01:59	#3
pixelsmack Registered User Join Date: May 2017 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 36	Setpatch is running and when running again It says it's already on.

22 May 2017, 02:17	#5
pixelsmack Registered User Join Date: May 2017 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 36	I wonder if the 68040 and 68060 library files from Phase5 might be causing an issue?

22 May 2017, 02:49	#7
pixelsmack Registered User Join Date: May 2017 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 36	I'm seeing what you're showing in that image. Yet no AGA.

22 May 2017, 08:31	#9
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,523	Battery damage side-effect? SetPatch under A4000 detects AGA differently than A1200. http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=75663

22 May 2017, 08:44	#10
pixelsmack Registered User Join Date: May 2017 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 36	Sadly looking more and more batteey damage. At least there's some redundacy with the ECS. Forward thinking in design? Heh.

22 May 2017, 14:17	#12
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,351	It's possibly for improved compatibility with older ECS software when booting from floppy. AGA software that doesn't use the OS doesn't need to have it enabled by SetPatch so it doesn't make a difference there. As Toni says, it sounds like motherboard damage unfortunately...

22 May 2017, 16:11	#13
grond Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Germany Posts: 1,919	Believe it or not but even the early boot menu doesn't display right if you enable AGA before it gets displayed. We tried this in the Vampire test cores with AGA enabled right after power up / reset. It turned out that the early boot menu only displays fine if you start in ECS mode. I think the reason was the DMA fetch mode and the copper lists being set up wrong for the wide AGA fetch mode.

22 May 2017, 16:21	#14
daxb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 3,304	And why did you tried to enable AGA before Early-Startup-Menu?

23 May 2017, 15:19	#16
daxb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 3,304	I would say an AGA machine is an AGA machine right from the start and I guess the average user too. However, what was the reason/goal for enable AGA before Early-Startup-Menu? E.g. have AGA screenmodes available for the menu? Other interesting stuff?

23 May 2017, 17:35	#18
pixelsmack Registered User Join Date: May 2017 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 36	So now I need to sell my A4000 with its, PicassaIV, Tocatta, and 64mb 50mhz 68060 for an A500 and an Apollo card?

23 May 2017, 20:41	#19
obitus1990 Registered User Join Date: May 2016 Location: Mandeville USA Posts: 203	Karma.

23 May 2017, 23:02	#20
Chucky Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Karlstad / Sweden Age: 52 Posts: 1,210	no AGA on A4k.. well Batteryleakage have damaged the board. a (quite easy) repair is needed to be done.

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