70,000 credit fine??

Enverex · 05 April 2004, 21:10

Right, I am flying about between galaxies on Frontier Elite II and not having any problems, but I am trying to make my way back to SOL, or the Imperial capital, and I can't land at any of the galaxies near them as I suddenly have a 70,000 credit fine for no reason at all. I haven't done anything wrong and there is nothing on my record.

If I reload and go to some other galaxies in the other direction, i'm fine, it only seems to happen near them. Do I need a permit or something?

Any ideas?

fiath · 05 April 2004, 21:32

I think that might happen if you entered in the protection code wrong

Drake1009 · 05 April 2004, 21:34

Note I'm far from knowledgable with this game. I've barely managed to get off the ground on the PC and have far from travelled around a lot, but if you have no criminal record (I assume stuff you do to get a fine goes on the record) is it completely unbelieveable that this could be the result of a bad crack?

Some games do have strange behaviour when not cracked properly and will not nescesarily reveal that you failed the protection. I know I were very confused with Flashback when I had a bad crack of that. After doing the escort job you get a password screen (which in most versions I've seen isn't cracked). Once you answer wrong the 3rd time you're returned to the game, but not teleported like you're supposed to be.

Taken into consideration that the first version I played had the same thing happen with the initial password (3 times "fail", then move on like you passed it) I were spending a lot of time trying to figure out what was going on.

I know there were adventure games around where an important part of the puzzle would be missing if you failed the protection, I believe Dreamweb numbered among these.

Enverex · 05 April 2004, 21:44

Well, I am using DeCreators WHDLoad file, so something must be up there.

But as I said, this only happens when going into the outlying galaxies of certain sectors (core, imperial, etc), I cant jump around other galaxies and land there with no problems (even after answering protection questions).

I'll try another install with CAPS and WHDLoad itself, but I don't think it is going to work...

Enverex · 05 April 2004, 22:03

Nope, WHDLoad install from scratch with CAPS images doesn't work either. This seems to be very specific asif there is some real reason why it is happening.

woody57 · 05 April 2004, 23:30

You are a criminal in the imperial & federation systems for unpaid fines obviously even though its cracked its left this information off your start file.

If I guess right you start with a clapped out Cobra somewhere in the far South West badlands below the borders of the imperial empire.

Hence the problem of cracked games IMHO

Without a full manual to back you up & NO starchart to fully check.

your starting at an advanced game start level instead of the usual beginers

Sirocco starport on Merlin in the Ross 154 system

If I remember right the only other intermedite is starting with a broken ship on mars in the SOL system

And yes I,ve a saved game which I keep returning too that I,m virtually 90 yrs old on played without cheats

So I,m having to dodge authorities while dumping illegal radioactive waste before landing in some systems on MANUAL.

But hey its just agame isn,t it ?

Enverex · 05 April 2004, 23:39

Woodshed is right, although it has nothing to do with the copy protection.

When you start in the Ross System or on Mars you have a clean record. When you start on Lave you are a Fugitive in Imperial and Federation systems, and have to pay a 70,000c fine to remove them. Damn, I wasn't aware of this before. Complete pain in the ass.

Djay · 05 April 2004, 23:51

for a giggle i've up my save disk (adf), to the zone, this save disk start life 10 years ago

i've got a log of stuff i found playing the game....

if anyone wants i'll upload the info here?????

Enverex · 06 April 2004, 00:10

Don't care for the disk, but the info would be interesting...

Djay · 06 April 2004, 01:15

k,

buy precious metals(?!?!) from Patrick's Exchange - Mackenzie Relay - Emerald - Cemiss (sector -2,-2)

its available on BBS, Patrick's Exchange isn't always available (time advance), its a black market trader, the only one that isn't the police setting a trap!!!!

you actually get paid to take them away, then sell at a near by space station

Djay · 06 April 2004, 01:25

i'm writing a txt for stock market pricing

Enverex · 06 April 2004, 01:37

Quote:

Originally posted by Djay
i'm writing a txt for stock market pricing

Er, you do know that stock market pricing is different for every single station dont you?

I was just looking at this, and it seemed quite interesting...

"Commodore Amiga - 3.5 inch diskette 1993 - This version was coded by David Braben himself in 68000 Assembler."

"Commodore Amiga CD32 - Compact Disc 1996 - Completely de-bugged and features the Navigation Computer, as seen in FFE, as well as other minor and cosmetic changes. The password protection was also removed."

Does this mean the CD32 version is actually better?

Djay · 06 April 2004, 01:42

and here she is

Djay · 06 April 2004, 01:48

remember the long distance (short) jumphole bug/cheat...

if you scroll out away from your current position.... very far btw... you can actually jump there...

so

you can jump from

Barnard's Star (FED) to Tivecan (IMP) in two short humps

find grid co-ord 63.53 (Anveda) you must be in Barnard's Star

Drake1009 · 06 April 2004, 10:10

I know this is off topic and everything, but have any of you guys gotten around to playing HardWar? As far as I can tell from Home of the underdogs it's a PC 3D-accelerated semi-clone of Frontier. You populate a randomly generated planet where you fly around the canyons and craters who are interconnected by either canyons or tunnels. You have to do the buy/sell thing to make money, or you can play as a bounty hunter or pirate or whatever you want. Apparently some people modified the game to make it online multiplayer too. I managed to get the version from HOTU once but never figured out how to play it properly.

Enverex · 06 April 2004, 11:04

Nope, never heard of it...
Apparently the source for all the Elites is being released soon, so it would be nice to see Frontier improved on the Amiga...

AmiGer · 06 April 2004, 12:10

Quote:

Originally posted by Enverex
Apparently the source for all the Elites is being released soon...

Why are you assuming this ? Do you have any more infos... ?

Djay · 06 April 2004, 23:04

Quote:

Originally posted by Enverex
Nope, never heard of it...
Apparently the source for all the Elites is being released soon, so it would be nice to see Frontier improved on the Amiga...

wont Ian Bell get pissed off with that, didn't he throw a wobbler about David making Elite freeware?

Enverex · 06 April 2004, 23:09

Afaik, it is one of those two that is going to release it.... i'll try and find out where I saw the info on it...

Enverex · 07 April 2004, 01:51

DJay, as you seem to know so much about Frontier: When you deliver a military package late, what complications does this have? Do you lose points, or do you just not get paid?

05 April 2004, 21:10	#1
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	70,000 credit fine?? Right, I am flying about between galaxies on Frontier Elite II and not having any problems, but I am trying to make my way back to SOL, or the Imperial capital, and I can't land at any of the galaxies near them as I suddenly have a 70,000 credit fine for no reason at all. I haven't done anything wrong and there is nothing on my record. If I reload and go to some other galaxies in the other direction, i'm fine, it only seems to happen near them. Do I need a permit or something? Any ideas?

05 April 2004, 23:30	#6
woody57 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 801	You are playing a cracked version that assumes You are a criminal in the imperial & federation systems for unpaid fines obviously even though its cracked its left this information off your start file. If I guess right you start with a clapped out Cobra somewhere in the far South West badlands below the borders of the imperial empire. Hence the problem of cracked games IMHO Without a full manual to back you up & NO starchart to fully check. your starting at an advanced game start level instead of the usual beginers Sirocco starport on Merlin in the Ross 154 system If I remember right the only other intermedite is starting with a broken ship on mars in the SOL system And yes I,ve a saved game which I keep returning too that I,m virtually 90 yrs old on played without cheats So I,m having to dodge authorities while dumping illegal radioactive waste before landing in some systems on MANUAL. But hey its just agame isn,t it ?

05 April 2004, 23:51	#8
Djay 95th User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton/UK Age: 48 Posts: 3,120	for a giggle i've up my save disk (adf), to the zone, this save disk start life 10 years ago i've got a log of stuff i found playing the game.... if anyone wants i'll upload the info here????? Last edited by Djay; 05 April 2004 at 23:59.

06 April 2004, 01:42	#13
Djay 95th User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton/UK Age: 48 Posts: 3,120	and here she is Last edited by Djay; 01 July 2011 at 21:34.

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05 April 2004, 21:32	#2
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	I think that might happen if you entered in the protection code wrong

05 April 2004, 21:34	#3
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	Note I'm far from knowledgable with this game. I've barely managed to get off the ground on the PC and have far from travelled around a lot, but if you have no criminal record (I assume stuff you do to get a fine goes on the record) is it completely unbelieveable that this could be the result of a bad crack? Some games do have strange behaviour when not cracked properly and will not nescesarily reveal that you failed the protection. I know I were very confused with Flashback when I had a bad crack of that. After doing the escort job you get a password screen (which in most versions I've seen isn't cracked). Once you answer wrong the 3rd time you're returned to the game, but not teleported like you're supposed to be. Taken into consideration that the first version I played had the same thing happen with the initial password (3 times "fail", then move on like you passed it) I were spending a lot of time trying to figure out what was going on. I know there were adventure games around where an important part of the puzzle would be missing if you failed the protection, I believe Dreamweb numbered among these.

05 April 2004, 21:44	#4
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Well, I am using DeCreators WHDLoad file, so something must be up there. But as I said, this only happens when going into the outlying galaxies of certain sectors (core, imperial, etc), I cant jump around other galaxies and land there with no problems (even after answering protection questions). I'll try another install with CAPS and WHDLoad itself, but I don't think it is going to work...

05 April 2004, 22:03	#5
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Nope, WHDLoad install from scratch with CAPS images doesn't work either. This seems to be very specific asif there is some real reason why it is happening.

05 April 2004, 23:39	#7
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Woodshed is right, although it has nothing to do with the copy protection. When you start in the Ross System or on Mars you have a clean record. When you start on Lave you are a Fugitive in Imperial and Federation systems, and have to pay a 70,000c fine to remove them. Damn, I wasn't aware of this before. Complete pain in the ass.

06 April 2004, 00:10	#9
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Don't care for the disk, but the info would be interesting...

06 April 2004, 01:15	#10
Djay 95th User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton/UK Age: 48 Posts: 3,120	k, buy precious metals(?!?!) from Patrick's Exchange - Mackenzie Relay - Emerald - Cemiss (sector -2,-2) its available on BBS, Patrick's Exchange isn't always available (time advance), its a black market trader, the only one that isn't the police setting a trap!!!! you actually get paid to take them away, then sell at a near by space station

06 April 2004, 01:25	#11
Djay 95th User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton/UK Age: 48 Posts: 3,120	i'm writing a txt for stock market pricing

06 April 2004, 01:48	#14
Djay 95th User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton/UK Age: 48 Posts: 3,120	remember the long distance (short) jumphole bug/cheat... if you scroll out away from your current position.... very far btw... you can actually jump there... so you can jump from Barnard's Star (FED) to Tivecan (IMP) in two short humps find grid co-ord 63.53 (Anveda) you must be in Barnard's Star

06 April 2004, 10:10	#15
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	I know this is off topic and everything, but have any of you guys gotten around to playing HardWar? As far as I can tell from Home of the underdogs it's a PC 3D-accelerated semi-clone of Frontier. You populate a randomly generated planet where you fly around the canyons and craters who are interconnected by either canyons or tunnels. You have to do the buy/sell thing to make money, or you can play as a bounty hunter or pirate or whatever you want. Apparently some people modified the game to make it online multiplayer too. I managed to get the version from HOTU once but never figured out how to play it properly.

06 April 2004, 11:04	#16
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Nope, never heard of it... Apparently the source for all the Elites is being released soon, so it would be nice to see Frontier improved on the Amiga...

06 April 2004, 23:09	#19
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Afaik, it is one of those two that is going to release it.... i'll try and find out where I saw the info on it...

07 April 2004, 01:51	#20
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	DJay, as you seem to know so much about Frontier: When you deliver a military package late, what complications does this have? Do you lose points, or do you just not get paid?

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