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Old 26 May 2021, 16:31   #361
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I hope this doesn't sound disrepectful of the great work done by boemann: I'm providing this information just for everybody's benefit (somebody might find this immediately useful and maybe boemann herself might find it inspirational, etc.).
Regarding the text editor talk, I'd like to mention there's already an M68k text editor that has programmable syntax highlighting, column editing and more: it's called FrexxEd and is freely available on Aminet (and also the sources are available). The great thing about this editor is that it is entirely programmable by means of an own language (called FPL, a C-like language): it is possible to write programs that add just about any feature to the editor - even character-based games running in the editing window! Moreover, there is a compiler that speeds up the execution of the programs (i.e. the editor can run the FPL programs both in source and compiled form).
And sorry for the OT
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Old 26 May 2021, 16:34   #362
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Jason and I have begun writing on this.

https://www.retro-commodore.eu/rkrm-...Mmt_o0EsY4WELk

We'd appreciate feedback
This is a commendable effort for which praises can never be enough. I'm not an OS-level software developer, but still I can fully appreciate the great value of such a book. Thank you and congratulations!
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Old 26 May 2021, 18:51   #363
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  1. With RTG, is multi monitor setup supported (native plus RTG)? That could be useful when display documentation while doing other things.
YES! This will work with the next release of Picasso96! Still testing... Ibrowse on the left, Workbench on the right Grazy shit
But yes... works in actual beta ! two gfx-cards... gfx-card and native.. yes, works!

Exciting shit
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Old 26 May 2021, 20:03   #364
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Picasso96 will support this in the next version.... There are some minor issues on Cybervision-3D in a Zorro3 Machine. But Thomas will solve them and I will do more testing... actually works with native Screen and RTG on a Z2 machine


Further testing required actually.....
Good news :-)
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Old 26 May 2021, 20:43   #365
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[/LIST] YES! This will work with the next release of Picasso96! Still testing... Ibrowse on the left, Workbench on the right Grazy shit
But yes... works in actual beta ! two gfx-cards... gfx-card and native.. yes, works!

Exciting shit
Great! Is it possible to arrange the monitor position (e.g. by telling the system which monitor is placed left and which right) and move the mousepointer from screen to screen without switching screens manually?
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Old 27 May 2021, 08:24   #366
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[/LIST] YES! This will work with the next release of Picasso96! Still testing... Ibrowse on the left, Workbench on the right Grazy shit
But yes... works in actual beta ! two gfx-cards... gfx-card and native.. yes, works!

Exciting shit
Okay, that's interesting...
Damn, Amiga is really kicking it on all fronts right now...
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Old 27 May 2021, 10:08   #367
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This thread was started on the 14/05/2021 so I assumed this is the latest release. Yet I see another thread where someone is asking where they can buy AmigaOS 3.9.

If AmigaOS 3.2 has just been released then what is AmigaOS 3.9? I'm totally confused now.
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Old 27 May 2021, 10:31   #368
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This thread was started on the 14/05/2021 so I assumed this is the latest release. Yet I see another thread where someone is asking where they can buy AmigaOS 3.9.

If AmigaOS 3.2 has just been released then what is AmigaOS 3.9? I'm totally confused now.
3.1.4 and 3.2 are specifically aimed at original specced machines eg A500, A1200 with a HD and maybe some additional RAM and are the most recently released. The 3.5 and 3.9 branch of the OS is aimed at more highly specced machines (eg with an accelerator and lots of RAM) and the OS 4.x branch is for PPC only.
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Old 27 May 2021, 10:42   #369
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3.1.4 and 3.2 are specifically aimed at original specced machines eg A500, A1200 with a HD and maybe some additional RAM and are the most recently released. The 3.5 and 3.9 branch of the OS is aimed at more highly specced machines (eg with an accelerator and lots of RAM) and the OS 4.x branch is for PPC only.
That is a bit confusing for new users and I am not sure it reflects reality anymore - AmigaOS 3.2 does not lack much (if anything?) when compared to 3.5/3.9. They were products of a time when it was thought that Amiga was going in a different direction (PowerPC) which then proved to be dead in the water a few years later.

Pretty much every component in 3.2 is now superior to their 3.5/3.9 counterpart - from what I understand, there is no reason at all to go with 3.5/3.9 these days. But I will let the AmigaOS Team correct me if I am wrong
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This thread was started on the 14/05/2021 so I assumed this is the latest release. Yet I see another thread where someone is asking where they can buy AmigaOS 3.9.

If AmigaOS 3.2 has just been released then what is AmigaOS 3.9? I'm totally confused now.
3.2 replaces 3.9, works on and fully supports both low-end and high-end machines.

Don't be confused by the numbering. Things in Amiga-land are not supposed to be logical all the time.
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Star Wars numbering scheme.
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Old 27 May 2021, 11:11   #372
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That is crazy confusing for anyone like me who hasn't touched Amiga stuff since probably around 1992.

Surely different naming is better than confusing version numbers :/
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Old 27 May 2021, 11:22   #373
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Surely different naming is better than confusing version numbers :/
OS3.1: V40
OS3.9: V45
OS3.1.4: V46 (partly V45)
OS3.2: V47

At least we don't mess with version numbers.
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3.2 is new and shiny that's all you need to know
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Old 27 May 2021, 12:10   #375
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That is crazy confusing for anyone like me who hasn't touched Amiga stuff since probably around 1992.

Surely different naming is better than confusing version numbers :/
Welcome back to Amigaland Fuzzball.
If you left the scene in 1992, then this for sure must be confusing, but there is some logic to it.
After Commodore went bust in 94, the OS had a few years with no updates. I'm gonna skip all the legal stuff and licensing wars etc.. But long story short..
New companies licensed the OS and they updated OS3.1 with stuff that was seen as necessary to have out of the box in the new Internet era.. (TCP/IP, CD-file system support, Larger hard drive support, stuff like that). These updates were released as 3.5 and 3.9 pointing in the 4.0 direction which is a PowerPC based version of Amiga OS.
The next generation Amiga would be PowerPC based they said.. (And it happened, but also failed to gain any significant momentum even though it is still in development to this day)

Fast forward a decade or so.. Lots of the stuff that was added in 3.5 /3.9 had been replaced by newer versions etc.. so lots of people went back to the more pure 3.1 experiencer and only added what they wanted.. 3.9 added a lot of bloat (and was aimed at high specced amigas).
So a couple of years ago, a group of magicians started working on updating the old 3.1 code to something more up to date..(support 060 cpu out of the box, larger hard drives etc) but not adding a lot of bloat. That became 3.1.4 and was released by Hyperion Entertainment.
And fast forward to now. Even more magicians and wizards continued their development of that modernized 3.1.4 code to bring us 3.2. The Holy grail of clean, sleek, bloat free Amiga OS 3.x experience..
Enjoy :-)

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^ since magicians are involved, I think I can use it as a "before going to bed story" for my mini-Godzillas
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AmigaOS 3.2 does not lack much (if anything?) when compared to 3.5/3.9.
Most of the key 3.9 features are now present in 3.2, but there are still a few that aren't. A few that come to mind immediately that I use all the time are AmiDock, THE, HDToolbox (though the updated version based on the one from 3.1 works fine), WBClock, UnArc and associated libraries, plus some other perhaps less relevant ones that I don't use much/ever like BenchTrash, TCP stack, IoTools, full manual (in HTML), media players and so on.

Copying the additional parts over to 3.2 will be much simpler than under 3.1.4 however, due to ReAction being included already.
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That "Help" thing seems to be really huge and I am glad there is finally a full usage for that dedicated key of Amiga keyboard.
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Hi Fuzzball!

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This thread was started on the 14/05/2021 so I assumed this is the latest release. Yet I see another thread where someone is asking where they can buy AmigaOS 3.9.

If AmigaOS 3.2 has just been released then what is AmigaOS 3.9? I'm totally confused now.
Don't tell me

I made a diagram (below) and a table (click on the image) with all (?) the versions, hope that it helps!



PS. I'll be happy to update the diagram with more info. about other pieces that moved around, like ReAction...

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OS3.1: V40
OS3.9: V45
OS3.1.4: V46 (partly V45)
OS3.2: V47

At least we don't mess with version numbers.


These numbers are for the Kickstarts, are they? I have these for 3.1.4: Kickstart v46.143 and Workbench v45.5. Are they correct? (For 3.1.4.1, I have Kickstart v46.151 and Workbench v45.194.)

Would you have these numbers for 3.2?

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