is there a 68010 amiga system existing?

jotd · 10 June 2016, 21:01

Well, I was just wondering...

Amiga1992 · 10 June 2016, 21:13

I don't think so, but there were some early accelerators that had a 68010, if I am not wrong.

BBoAH brings up these results:
Amiga Ranger:
http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.co...t.aspx?id=2006

Accelerators:
http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.co...uct.aspx?id=83
http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.co...ct.aspx?id=168

Daedalus · 10 June 2016, 21:38

None shipped with it from the factory, but many people have fitted one in place of the standard 68000 for some minor benefits.

DrBong · 10 June 2016, 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daedalus

None shipped with it from the factory, but many people have fitted one in place of the standard 68000 for some minor benefits.

Aye. The 68010 is a little bit faster than 68000, but not 100% compatible with 68000 instructions IIRC.....so it may cause problems with some 68000 software on the Amiga. I think that's why it was never really shipped commercially on Amiga products.

Why do you ask Jeff?

klx300r · 10 June 2016, 22:24

yup my A1000 has had a 010 for years and its still rockin

and I've never had any compatability problems with any 68k games/ apps i use anyhow

Daedalus · 10 June 2016, 22:41

It could also be that the improvements were marginal when compared to the 68020 (which is less compatible but much faster), and so it wasn't really worth it. The 68010 just added some design tweaks and a couple of new instructions that arguably should've been in the 68000, so was only about 10% faster in benchmarking and practically the same speed in real world use. Some special software can make use of the new capabilities (WHDLoad being the obvious example), but anyone looking for a substantially faster machine would go for a 68020 accelerator.

eXeler0 · 10 June 2016, 23:22

Biggest noticeable feature for other vendors outside Amigaland was probably the fact that the 68010 could be used with an external MMU (albeit a crappy one)

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jotd · 11 June 2016, 06:58

Just curious, that s all.
There are compat problems. Ex: stackframe structure is different. You cannot push sr and addressvand then rte.
And there is a vbr so software monitors like hrtmon do not need a nmi button.

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10 June 2016, 21:13	#2
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,648	I don't think so, but there were some early accelerators that had a 68010, if I am not wrong. BBoAH brings up these results: Amiga Ranger: http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.co...t.aspx?id=2006 Accelerators: http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.co...uct.aspx?id=83 http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.co...ct.aspx?id=168

10 June 2016, 21:38	#3
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,377	None shipped with it from the factory, but many people have fitted one in place of the standard 68000 for some minor benefits.

10 June 2016, 22:24	#5
klx300r Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ManCave, Canada Posts: 1,627	yup my A1000 has had a 010 for years and its still rockin and I've never had any compatability problems with any 68k games/ apps i use anyhow

10 June 2016, 22:41	#6
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,377	It could also be that the improvements were marginal when compared to the 68020 (which is less compatible but much faster), and so it wasn't really worth it. The 68010 just added some design tweaks and a couple of new instructions that arguably should've been in the 68000, so was only about 10% faster in benchmarking and practically the same speed in real world use. Some special software can make use of the new capabilities (WHDLoad being the obvious example), but anyone looking for a substantially faster machine would go for a 68020 accelerator.

10 June 2016, 23:22	#7
eXeler0 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Sweden Age: 50 Posts: 2,974	Biggest noticeable feature for other vendors outside Amigaland was probably the fact that the 68010 could be used with an external MMU (albeit a crappy one) Skickat från min HTC One via Tapatalk

11 June 2016, 06:58	#8
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,360	Just curious, that s all. There are compat problems. Ex: stackframe structure is different. You cannot push sr and addressvand then rte. And there is a vbr so software monitors like hrtmon do not need a nmi button.

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