Sega Lightgun In WinUAE

Korban · 03 February 2023, 15:08

Has anyone used lightguns in WinUAE?
I have a Sega Master System gun and a few usb to db9 adaptors and am curious to give it a try. The adaptors work fine using joysticks.

Currently in the process of doing a big rearrangement of things so will wait until that's done to get back into playing around with computer gear, but in the meantime was just wondering if it's likely to work.

Thanks in advance.

Rotareneg · 03 February 2023, 17:19

The Master System Light Phaser works similarly to the Amiga's light gun/pen interface, but has a different pin-out than on the Amiga. Also, since they depend on detecting when a CRT's electron beam scans in front of the gun/pen, a real gun connected via an adaptor isn't really going to work under emulation.

Korban · 03 February 2023, 19:46

It's not a simple wire through type adaptor. It's uses a microcontroller as well. Both Amiga joysticks and Megadrive pads work fine with it.
Im also outputting to a crt display.

Toni Wilen · 03 February 2023, 20:54

No, it is not going to work. (I guess in theory it could be made to work in lagless vsync mode but I expect horribly bad horizontal accuracy)

USB lightguns do work.

CCRider · 03 February 2023, 22:23

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Originally Posted by Rotareneg

The Master System Light Phaser works similarly to the Amiga's light gun/pen interface, but has a different pin-out than on the Amiga. Also, since they depend on detecting when a CRT's electron beam scans in front of the gun/pen, a real gun connected via an adaptor isn't really going to work under emulation.

Is a map of those pinouts available somewhere? I have a SMS light gun and I'm curious to try it on the Amiga...

drHirudo · 04 February 2023, 01:05

Original Lightguns are claimed to work fine with MiSTer FPGA, but only on CRT monitor.

I guess WinUAE adds several layers of lags, so it's not that easy with software emulation on Windows.

Rotareneg · 04 February 2023, 02:31

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Originally Posted by CCRider

Is a map of those pinouts available somewhere? I have a SMS light gun and I'm curious to try it on the Amiga...

http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/DE-9_Lightpen has a comparison of different light pen/gun ports.

Korban · 04 February 2023, 03:16

That's a shame.
It works in MAME, so I was hopeful it'd work with WinUAE too.

Thanks for the responses though.

hexaae · 05 February 2023, 13:37

I'll probably buy a Sinden Lightgun® in the future for MAME games... Will it work with WinUAE (I have g-sync and freesync monitors)? If yes, is there a list of lightgun supporting games for the Amiga?

TCD · 05 February 2023, 13:45

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Originally Posted by hexaae

If yes, is there a list of lightgun supporting games for the Amiga?

There is: https://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php...quickmatch=120

hexaae · 05 February 2023, 14:23

Perfect, thank you.

Korban · 05 February 2023, 15:38

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Originally Posted by hexaae

is there a list of lightgun supporting games for the Amiga?

Apparently there's also patched versions of Operation Wolf and Operation Thunderbolt on Amiga that support lightguns.
Ive not seen it myself, but there's a video on the Retro Man Cave Youtube channel about lightguns on Amiga and he mentions it there.
If memory serves correctly he said he learned about it here at EAB.

P.O.W and Capone by Actionware are other lightgun titles that support lightguns that aren't in the H.O.L list.

TCD · 05 February 2023, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Korban

P.O.W and Capone by Actionware are other lightgun titles that support lightguns that aren't in the H.O.L list.

Thank you

Added the two games to the list.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Korban

Apparently there's also patched versions of Operation Wolf and Operation Thunderbolt on Amiga that support lightguns.
Ive not seen it myself, but there's a video on the Retro Man Cave Youtube channel about lightguns on Amiga and he mentions it there.

I checked the video and added several other games to the list. I can't find the thread about the Operation games here on EAB, but maybe somebody else can link it.

Toni Wilen · 05 February 2023, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by hexaae

I'll probably buy a Sinden Lightgun® in the future for MAME games... Will it work with WinUAE (I have g-sync and freesync monitors)? If yes, is there a list of lightgun supporting games for the Amiga?

USB Lightguns that work with any display device come with sensor box that is put below/top of monitor that detects the position of gun.

At least Aimtrak lightgun is confirmed working with WinUAE. It should work with any USB HID pointing device that returns absolute coordinates.

hexaae · 05 February 2023, 20:29

Sinden is different: uses a border white overlay to delimit microcam area but I think it should work if it does for MAME and other emulators...
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03 February 2023, 15:08	#1
Korban Registered User Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Australia Posts: 188	Sega Lightgun In WinUAE Has anyone used lightguns in WinUAE? I have a Sega Master System gun and a few usb to db9 adaptors and am curious to give it a try. The adaptors work fine using joysticks. Currently in the process of doing a big rearrangement of things so will wait until that's done to get back into playing around with computer gear, but in the meantime was just wondering if it's likely to work. Thanks in advance.

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03 February 2023, 17:19	#2
Rotareneg Registered User Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Kansas, USA Posts: 329	The Master System Light Phaser works similarly to the Amiga's light gun/pen interface, but has a different pin-out than on the Amiga. Also, since they depend on detecting when a CRT's electron beam scans in front of the gun/pen, a real gun connected via an adaptor isn't really going to work under emulation.

03 February 2023, 19:46	#3
Korban Registered User Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Australia Posts: 188	It's not a simple wire through type adaptor. It's uses a microcontroller as well. Both Amiga joysticks and Megadrive pads work fine with it. Im also outputting to a crt display.

03 February 2023, 20:54	#4
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,574	No, it is not going to work. (I guess in theory it could be made to work in lagless vsync mode but I expect horribly bad horizontal accuracy) USB lightguns do work.

04 February 2023, 01:05	#6
drHirudo Amiga user Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sofia / Bulgaria Posts: 472	Original Lightguns are claimed to work fine with MiSTer FPGA, but only on CRT monitor. I guess WinUAE adds several layers of lags, so it's not that easy with software emulation on Windows.

04 February 2023, 03:16	#8
Korban Registered User Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Australia Posts: 188	That's a shame. It works in MAME, so I was hopeful it'd work with WinUAE too. Thanks for the responses though.

05 February 2023, 13:37	#9
hexaae Bug hunter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,171	I'll probably buy a Sinden Lightgun® in the future for MAME games... Will it work with WinUAE (I have g-sync and freesync monitors)? If yes, is there a list of lightgun supporting games for the Amiga?

05 February 2023, 14:23	#11
hexaae Bug hunter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,171	Perfect, thank you.

05 February 2023, 20:29	#15
hexaae Bug hunter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,171	Sinden is different: uses a border white overlay to delimit microcam area but I think it should work if it does for MAME and other emulators... [ Show youtube player ]

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