Indivision ECS: strange bypass on the board... only mine? - Page 2

aotta · 29 August 2012, 09:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob

Na, mine doesn't have "the fix". That's why I was wondering what the fix is supposed to do since mine has some minor problems. But generally it has worked fine on a bunch of different motherboards. Sorry not much help to you.

I think the "fix" is for improve the supply of the motherboard and avoiding some minor issue in the video quality, but surely is not "in every ECS Indivision" as Jens Schönfeld said...
I hope they tested it enough before producing new batch of them!!
Today i'll probably get a Amiga 500 for new tests....

...but i am very disappointed that i spent over 150 € and Vesalia.de didn't give me no support nor warranty!!!!

jbenam · 29 August 2012, 12:04

If you weren't so far away I'd gladly make you test it on my A600 :P

aotta · 29 August 2012, 12:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbenam

If you weren't so far away I'd gladly make you test it on my A600 :P

We should have to organize an Amiga party in italy!

Anyway, if the ECS will run fine on the A500, i could send you for testing..
do you have the A604 too?

jbenam · 29 August 2012, 15:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by aotta

We should have to organize an Amiga party in italy!

Anyway, if the ECS will run fine on the A500, i could send you for testing..
do you have the A604 too?

Nope

Only A600. I still need to get the A500 (no space here!)

aotta · 29 August 2012, 16:01

update: Vesalia reply me (they takes some day, but we are on August...

offering to refund me or to send them my A600 for further investigation!
In the meanwhile, I've bought another A600 (no space here too, but it will be useful for spare parts..) and i'll test A604 and ECS with it.
I'll keep you informed!

aotta · 01 September 2012, 09:37

update2:
i've bought a second Amiga 600, and Indi don't work with the new amiga too!!

Today i'll return ECS Indivision+A604 to Vesalia for a check and replacement.

I don't know if the fault is the fix or my ECS (or A604) are simply broken...
i hope Vesalia (or Individual Computer) answer us about this!

BarryB · 16 September 2012, 22:42

FWIW I have a similar 'mod' on my Indi ECS from Amigakit:

I'm also sending mine back this week due to a problem in my A500 Rev 6A which I hope they can replicate and hopefully fix.

FOL · 16 September 2012, 22:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarryB

FWIW I have a similar 'mod' on my Indi ECS from Amigakit:

I'm also sending mine back this week due to a problem in my A500 Rev 6A which I hope they can replicate and hopefully fix.

We now have a solution for your problem.
Im currently in the process of testing the revised fix.

BarryB · 17 September 2012, 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

We now have a solution for your problem.
Im currently in the process of testing the revised fix.

Thanks FOL!

I'll be sending it back either tomorrow or Wednesday. I'd be interested (as would others) to know what this 'fix' does and what it involves if possible.

aotta · 25 September 2012, 13:43

in my case, Vesalia is still waiting for the result of the test of mine boeards...

i think they have involved someone else in investigating about my ECS and A604, since a simple check if the hardware is working or not doesn't need 3 weeks!!!!
They asked me a little patience.....

Anyway, i hope the solution that FOL's talking about will be fine for my case too.....

BarryB · 25 September 2012, 19:42

I only sent mine back middle of last week so can only wait until I hear something from Amigakit.

Lord Aga · 25 September 2012, 23:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

We now have a solution for your problem.
Im currently in the process of testing the revised fix.

So what's the deal with this new batch ?
I have one Indy ECS, but still haven't got around to testing it. It bums me to think it can be faulty as well

FOL · 26 September 2012, 00:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Aga

So what's the deal with this new batch ?
I have one Indy ECS, but still haven't got around to testing it. It bums me to think it can be faulty as well

They react to ripples on the supply on certain PSU's.
The first fix fixed about 90% of issue, new fix should solve 100% of issue.

Jens is best person to answer in detail.

Lord Aga · 26 September 2012, 11:38

Well, I have 3 PSUs. I hope it will work properly with at least one of them

If not, off to the fixing it goes...
Anyway, I would like to hear more from Jens. Even if mine works, just for educational purposes

BarryB · 29 October 2012, 20:52

@FOL: Received my Indi ECS today, fitted it back in my A500 and it's working without any problems, thanks for fixing it

jimbob · 29 October 2012, 22:47

@FOL, are you able to share details of these fixes? I have a couple of minor problems with my Indi, I suspect at least one of them is power related.

FOL · 30 October 2012, 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob

@FOL, are you able to share details of these fixes?

Thats up to Jens, but you could always just look at the board.

Which version do you have new batch or old batch?
Does it say "dont install denise on A600"?

jimbob · 30 October 2012, 16:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

Thats up to Jens, but you could always just look at the board.

Which version do you have new batch or old batch?
Does it say "dont install denise on A600"?

Urgh I'm not sure and I just buttoned it all up again last night

Is it printed on the silk screen of the pcb? I can't see it on a photo I have of the upper side. I know I bought it from you in January 2011.

FOL · 30 October 2012, 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob

Urgh I'm not sure and I just buttoned it all up again last night

Is it printed on the silk screen of the pcb? I can't see it on a photo I have of the upper side. I know I bought it from you in January 2011.

Then it will be a first batch, so this issue doesnt apply to you.

jimbob · 30 October 2012, 17:33

Thanks FOL, I kinda knew I wasn't having these particular problems that require this fix since it only affects one particular monitor(which happens to be my favorite). But I still wonder if it could be a similar problem because it seems to be a power issue.

I posted about this a while ago but it is bugging me again now because winter is upon us, (colder). I get black screen for about 5-15 mins, (depending on room temperature), from first cold boot of amiga. I know the amiga has otherwise ooted normally because I can run things blind from a shell and hear sound, see HD access etc, or see composite output.

The reason I think it is power AND temperature related is that for a few more minutes after the screen does come up, if I do something to draw extra power, like insert a floppy, the screen goes black again for a few secs until disk access is done. After a further short period of warming up, everything is fine.

Indi is fine on all other monitors, monitor is fine with all other video sources. It is not the monitor warming up, if I leave it off while the amiga warms up, then turn it on, screen comes up straight awway.

The A600 has new caps and I've tried several PSUs.

Here's the old thread about this -
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=61717

But since then I have tested other CRTs which don't do this and other PSUs which still show the problem.

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29 August 2012, 12:04	#22
jbenam Italian Amiga Zealot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Italy Age: 36 Posts: 1,912	If you weren't so far away I'd gladly make you test it on my A600 :P

29 August 2012, 16:01	#25
aotta Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Pesaro - Italy Posts: 19	update: Vesalia reply me (they takes some day, but we are on August... offering to refund me or to send them my A600 for further investigation! In the meanwhile, I've bought another A600 (no space here too, but it will be useful for spare parts..) and i'll test A604 and ECS with it. I'll keep you informed!

01 September 2012, 09:37	#26
aotta Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Pesaro - Italy Posts: 19	update2: i've bought a second Amiga 600, and Indi don't work with the new amiga too!! Today i'll return ECS Indivision+A604 to Vesalia for a check and replacement. I don't know if the fault is the fix or my ECS (or A604) are simply broken... i hope Vesalia (or Individual Computer) answer us about this!

16 September 2012, 22:42	#27
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,725	FWIW I have a similar 'mod' on my Indi ECS from Amigakit: I'm also sending mine back this week due to a problem in my A500 Rev 6A which I hope they can replicate and hopefully fix.

25 September 2012, 13:43	#30
aotta Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Pesaro - Italy Posts: 19	in my case, Vesalia is still waiting for the result of the test of mine boeards... i think they have involved someone else in investigating about my ECS and A604, since a simple check if the hardware is working or not doesn't need 3 weeks!!!! They asked me a little patience..... Anyway, i hope the solution that FOL's talking about will be fine for my case too.....

25 September 2012, 19:42	#31
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,725	I only sent mine back middle of last week so can only wait until I hear something from Amigakit.

26 September 2012, 11:38	#34
Lord Aga MI clan prevails Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,443	Well, I have 3 PSUs. I hope it will work properly with at least one of them If not, off to the fixing it goes... Anyway, I would like to hear more from Jens. Even if mine works, just for educational purposes

29 October 2012, 20:52	#35
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,725	@FOL: Received my Indi ECS today, fitted it back in my A500 and it's working without any problems, thanks for fixing it

29 October 2012, 22:47	#36
jimbob Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kilmacolm Age: 46 Posts: 632	@FOL, are you able to share details of these fixes? I have a couple of minor problems with my Indi, I suspect at least one of them is power related.

30 October 2012, 17:33	#40
jimbob Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kilmacolm Age: 46 Posts: 632	Thanks FOL, I kinda knew I wasn't having these particular problems that require this fix since it only affects one particular monitor(which happens to be my favorite). But I still wonder if it could be a similar problem because it seems to be a power issue. I posted about this a while ago but it is bugging me again now because winter is upon us, (colder). I get black screen for about 5-15 mins, (depending on room temperature), from first cold boot of amiga. I know the amiga has otherwise ooted normally because I can run things blind from a shell and hear sound, see HD access etc, or see composite output. The reason I think it is power AND temperature related is that for a few more minutes after the screen does come up, if I do something to draw extra power, like insert a floppy, the screen goes black again for a few secs until disk access is done. After a further short period of warming up, everything is fine. Indi is fine on all other monitors, monitor is fine with all other video sources. It is not the monitor warming up, if I leave it off while the amiga warms up, then turn it on, screen comes up straight awway. The A600 has new caps and I've tried several PSUs. Here's the old thread about this - http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=61717 But since then I have tested other CRTs which don't do this and other PSUs which still show the problem.

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