new amiga 500 doom like !

[Gzegzolka]

There is something on my head so I need to ask You. Maybe it is a good time to stop tweaking engine with new features and start working on levels/game content. Or maybe that time was some time ago? If You have engine that works with decent speed on Amiga and Atari why not stick with it, work on story and levels. Finish it on Wolfenstein level of quality/engine, take a break and after some time make a sequel on Doom level of quality/engine features. I am bit afraid of Duke Nukem Forever syndrome when people can not stop implementing new features and keep polishing stuff that already looks okay. Anyway I still think what have You done is awesome.

[ImmortalA1000]

If the tools let you make your own complete game I would make....

1. A Ganster themed FPS with 1930s streets filled with 1930s cars and gangsters to hunt down/avoid.

2. A Western themed game with horses to avoid being trampled over and other cowboys in the town to avoid/kill with lots of buildings/stagecoaches to use as cover. A sort of reboot of Boot Hill called Reboot Hill

[Tsak]

Originally Posted by Gzegzolka

There is something on my head so I need to ask You. Maybe it is a good time to stop tweaking engine with new features and start working on levels/game content.

Well, this is exactly what I'm doing with GRIND currently

Originally Posted by Gzegzolka

If You have engine that works with decent speed on Amiga and Atari why not stick with it, work on story and levels. Finish it on Wolfenstein level of quality/engine, take a break and after some time make a sequel on Doom level of quality/engine features. I am bit afraid of Duke Nukem Forever syndrome when people can not stop implementing new features and keep polishing stuff that already looks okay. Anyway I still think what have You done is awesome.

It's not about blindly adding "features" like that. But adding what is necessary to actually allow us to finish the game (even a very barebones game that is). The engine at the moment is quite incomplete basically. You cannot go from level to level, you cannot have levels with different assets (like f.e. everything is loaded in memory all at once at the moment), there is no music (or at least some ambient sfx system to break the complete current in-game silence) and there are a dozen known bugs and glitches, while the game is also incompatible with most common Amiga accelerators (even fast ram is causing issues) e.t.c. e.t.c.

Personally I don't even care that much about variable heights and stairs to tell you the truth. In fact, if this runs late (KK does plan to finish the new wall renderer but it's completely unknown when), chances are I'm gonna complete GRIND with the current tech available. However the above stuff I mentioned (and much more) are still needed for a minimum viable and complete game. There's simply no other way around that.

[Promilus]

Tsak - oh, I didn't know it's that bad. I guess it's hyper optimized to bare 500 and 1200 which makes problems with other configurations. I guess in the end it would be difficult to maintain minimum requirements of nearly bare A500 should level transition, different assets per level and soundtrack be introduced.

[d4rk3lf]

Dread demo runs perfectly fine (and silky smooth) on my Aca500+ accelerator (14Mhz 68000, 7MB Fast, 1MB chip)

[nikosidis]

The development of the engine seams to take a lot of time. I was really hoping that variable heights would be part of the final game but as we can read from "Tsak" there seams to be to many issues.

[malko]

In the other hand, we have already seen games and a second opus with improved content. This may be a way to go as well : Dread/Grind 1 and some month later Dread/Grind 2.
Even Shadow of the Beast has three opus, so...

[nikosidis]

Originally Posted by malko

In the other hand, we have already seen games and a second opus with improved content. This may be a way to go as well : Dread/Grind 1 and some month later Dread/Grind 2.
Even Shadow of the Beast has three opus, so...

Sure, why not


To me the most important thing is that the game will be released and not abandoned.



There is a big chance than things will not happen if they are to complicated.



From what I seen, tried already things do not look to shabby

[d4rk3lf]

Originally Posted by nikosidis

The development of the engine seams to take a lot of time. I was really hoping that variable heights would be part of the final game but as we can read from "Tsak" there seams to be to many issues.

As far as I am concerned, KK achieved the goal.
We have great Demo.
We have great building tools so we create our own levels.
And everyone have access to it.

Everything else Tsak or KK release in the future will be just a plus for me.

Similar to Tsak, height implementation is not that important to me, although I admit is very important as the overall technical achievement.
But KK showed to Patreons first Doom level 1 in engine, and it looked great (for an A500)...

I only wish KK pots more often here.

[Tsak]

Originally Posted by Promilus

Tsak - oh, I didn't know it's that bad.

Well, it's not that bad
I mean most of these issues are just there because there's no attention gone to them so far (due to different priorities obviously). I'm pretty confident we'll be able patch and iron out everything as the project progresses.

Originally Posted by Promilus

I guess in the end it would be difficult to maintain minimum requirements of nearly bare A500 should level transition, different assets per level and soundtrack be introduced.

Exactly, at the moment we can only do that by quitting the game and loading/firing up a different binary basically. So we're limited (per binary) to assets that fit in a500's memory all at once, including the menus and UIs, in-game gfx, sounds and logic. Which should be good for a couple maps but definitely not for a whole game.

Originally Posted by d4rk3lf

Dread demo runs perfectly fine (and silky smooth) on my Aca500+ accelerator (14Mhz 68000, 7MB Fast, 1MB chip)

Oh, that's nice to know!
Yesterday we received a mail from someone that managed to run the first demo on the Amiga-mini btw.

[eXeler0]

@Tsak do you have a youtube channel where post GRIND updates?

[Tsak]

Originally Posted by eXeler0

@Tsak do you have a youtube channel where post GRIND updates?

I do but I don't post Grind updates there (at least not yet).
I've got a Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/Grind_Amiga which sees updates at least once every week.
Also a discord server, https://discord.gg/QXGQbkRCxN
All Patreon updates are announced there, together with some info, pics e.t.c.