Sonic the Hedgehog C64 - video trailer

[roondar]

Originally Posted by dreadnought

I got it too, because Sarah has just made an Xmas release called Snow Force, and the original is included: https://sarahjaneavory.itch.io/snow-force-c64. She really is a one-woman dev powerhouse, there's so much quality & playability in her games.

I only recently discovered her games and they all ooze quality. Great, great stuff. So I had no problems at all convincing myself to also get Snow Force

[Solo Kazuki]

Originally Posted by Matt_H

I think you misunderstood - my point was that no matter how much one optimizes an Amiga port of something resource-heavy like Quake (or the modern PC Sonic engine), the performance will never equal the original version because our Amigas just don’t have comparable raw CPU/hardware power to the original platform.

I had Blizzard PPC and now I have Warp 1260@100MHz - mind that I'm talking from that point and from what i can tell CPU power is enough in both cases (well, on PPC more) to play nicely Quake even on (fanfares!) AGA.

[saimon69]

Nobody seems to cite Mr.Nutz Hopping mad, that technically could do stuff at the required speed, ok less colors but is a very good engine - if we left out the dungeon view part
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[rothers]

You're right, I'd never realised what a good engine Mr.Nutz has, that's impressive. Very good use of colour.

[PortuguesePilot]

Originally Posted by saimon69

Nobody seems to cite Mr.Nutz Hopping mad, that technically could do stuff at the required speed, ok less colors but is a very good engine - if we left out the dungeon view part
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I spoke about it in my 4th post in this tread.

[kremiso]

Originally Posted by saimon69

Nobody seems to cite Mr.Nutz Hopping mad, that technically could do stuff at the required speed, ok less colors but is a very good engine - if we left out the dungeon view part

right example, but i must be honest, never reached to complete it
imo the later levels are too much hard

yet agree, closest attempt on the miggy

[Cobe]

Originally Posted by anubis

sega master system sonic is by far my favorite sonic game. I completed it on console back in 90s and couple of times since then on emulators. In my opinion, levels are just much better then megadrive levels where i usually lose myself and try to reach end as fast as possible. In sms version i knew all secrets and would usually collect all coins during runs.

I would love to try this.

+1

[rothers]

It was not made by Sega and the developers were given some weird restrictions, and it lead to a brilliant game - I agree it's the better game. The MD version looks cool and everything but the SMS one has far more secrets and clever level design, it's also harder.

TBH the SMS could probably do a pretty good version of the MD version just minus the parallax.

[Styrbjorn]

looks awesome !

[Matt_H]

Originally Posted by Solo Kazuki

I had Blizzard PPC and now I have Warp 1260@100MHz - mind that I'm talking from that point and from what i can tell CPU power is enough in both cases (well, on PPC more) to play nicely Quake even on (fanfares!) AGA.

That’s my point - if you throw raw CPU/processing power at a game like Quake of course you’re going to get better performance. What I’m suggesting is that it’s not possible to get that kind of performance from a “port” on an “average” system (030 or less). But you can get closer to it if you code from the ground up, specifically for the Amiga, playing to its strengths.

Another example: look at the new Jump! game, which is built for a stock A1200 (plus RAM?) and seems to outperform some Saturn/PSX games.

[saimon69]

Originally Posted by Matt_H

Another example: look at the new Jump! game, which is built for a stock A1200 (plus RAM?) and seems to outperform some Saturn/PSX games.

With the help of SOME fast ram (like six megabytes) - if they did it in a base 1200 then i might really be impressed though

[saimon69]

Originally Posted by PortuguesePilot

I spoke about it in my 4th post in this tread.

Went to look and actually you did talk about Blaze - i REALLY wish someone could put hand on that and make some sorta clone or better a spinoff - doing that might take out the burden of a proper port and give some creativity to address the more problematic parts

[dreadnought]

Originally Posted by Matt_H

Another example: look at the new Jump! game, which is built for a stock A1200 (plus RAM?) and seems to outperform some Saturn/PSX games.

About that...hmmm


Anyway, who needs Sonic when we have Tearaway Thomas, which I have just accidentially discovered? That's one of the things I love about Amiga, we could always come up with some goofy game like that as an "answer" to some smarmy console hit, without any care in the world

[Galahad/FLT]

Originally Posted by saimon69

Went to look and actually you did talk about Blaze - i REALLY wish someone could put hand on that and make some sorta clone or better a spinoff - doing that might take out the burden of a proper port and give some creativity to address the more problematic parts

Was Blaze written in asm and was the original author ever likely to let the source code go?

[PortuguesePilot]

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Was Blaze written in asm and was the original author ever likely to let the source code go?

Source code here: https://pastebin.com/MrA0EtXf

Reference: http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...1&postcount=26

Blog post of source code release: https://keithbugeja.wordpress.com/20...e-source-code/

Initial release by the Author: https://keithbugeja.wordpress.com/20...e-memory-lane/

Cheers.

[kremiso]

thank you @PortoguesePilot for this
i didn't know Blaze source code was available

i got correctly the game has no scrolling? :
"The screen is re-drawn every frame, from 32x32 pixel blocks; there is no actual scrolling."

EDIT the assets and src are on GitHub too :
https://github.com/keithbugeja/blaze

[Anubis]

Back to OP post - played Sonic on C64 last night (Used emulator as gaming room is kind of mess at the moment ) I was just surprised at how close this was to original Sega version. So far one of best conversions I experienced on C64. I played through first world and had 2 bonus levels and it was just incredible that ol' 64 with bit more memory is able to handle the game this well.

I also love that you can load whole game in memory. This gives it console feeling, without that load time.

Next couple of days I might try to see how far I can get in the game.

[gimbal]

Originally Posted by Anubis

Sega Master System sonic is by far my favorite Sonic game. I completed it on console back in 90s and couple of times since then on emulators. In my opinion, levels are just much better then MegaDrive levels where I usually lose myself and try to reach end as fast as possible. In SMS version I knew all secrets and would usually collect all coins during runs.

Huh. Okay. Guess I should give the master system version a shot then.

I would argue that the idea of the Megadrive version IS to get to the end of the level as quickly as possible It's a game built for speedrunners. I think it is act two where you are suddenly slowed down to a crawl because you have to push obstacles and such... feels so out of place in a Sonic game.

[Anubis]

It is strange that both games were developed around the same time, but in end they were completely different games. RetroGamer had nice article about that.

[Retro-Nerd]

The Mega Drive version is just a tech demo with dull levels. The Master System version is an actual game with decent level design.

Completed the C64 port around Christmas. Outstanding port in every aspect. Yes, it needs the REU for the fast data transfer to achieve this multi-directional fullscreen scrolling in constant 50fps. But it's still very impressive.