Which should I sell?

DDNI · 30 August 2006, 22:52

Ok I have two A1200 accelerators....

I must sell one.....

1. Apollo 1240/32 68882 FPU 32mb RAM - in use daily.

2. Blizzard 1230 IV 50MHz 68882 FPU 32mb RAM - not yet put to any use.

Which should go????

keropi · 30 August 2006, 22:56

easy, the 1230...

BippyM · 30 August 2006, 23:00

Sell me the FPU out of the blizzard (I need one) then flog the 030

Unknown_K · 30 August 2006, 23:16

If you like gaming keep the Blizzard, besides a 68030 clocked at 50Mhz (with the correct FPU) is probably about the same as a 68040/25 anyway. The 040 will get you more money also (if you are in need of money and have to sell something).

keropi · 30 August 2006, 23:39

no.... the 040/25 is at least twice as fast as the 030/50...

alexh · 30 August 2006, 23:44

Quote:

a 68030 clocked at 50Mhz (with the correct FPU) is probably about the same as a 68040/25

Damn if you've not been Intel-'ed. The PC "More MHz = Better" marketing campaign wins another victory.

In CISC it is about how many clock cycles per instruction (AKA MIPS) and how powerful (complicated) the instructions are. Then you have to take into consideration how complicated the instruction and data pipelines are, how big the Caches are etc. How long it takes to load a cache line etc.

AMIGAZ · 30 August 2006, 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Damn if you've not been Intel-'ed. The PC "More MHz = Better" marketing campaign wins another victory.

It is about how many clock cycles per instruction and how complicated the instructions are.

Unknown_K · 31 August 2006, 00:02

Overall you have to take into acount what the computer is used for (I asked if he was a gamer since an 040 would hurt more then help) plus what the memory bus is clocked at (50Mhz vs 25Mhz) etc.

Outside of a benchmark you need to get more then 2x as fast overall for most people to even notice a difference.

At the end of the day I would keep what does the job I need, is the most stable, and generates the least amount of heat (if you are going to keep it in a desktop A1200). Or if you are selling because you need the cash, the most money.

About the only thing the 040 chip has over the 030 is a much faster FPU which unless you need it on an Amiga for ray tracing apps is not that important.

I don't have an 040 to compare it to my 030/50 blizzard, but my 68030/40 Mac IIfx keeps up with my 68040/33 Quadra 950's failry well outside of FPU related programs in normal use (the IIfx is only 40Mhz but has special RAM and some CPU cache).

DDNI · 31 August 2006, 00:08

Thanks guys, I dont need the cash, I just need to keep the clutter down!!

I just put the 1230 in my A1200 (specs below) It got 8.14 MIPS (Meaningless Items Per Second) in sysinfo. This compares to the Apollo 1240 which gets 18.24 MIPS. More than twice the differnce.

Unknown_K makes a valid point about games, some dont work on the 040... I think I will probably keep them both

keropi · 31 August 2006, 00:08

on the amiga there is a big difference AFAIK between 030 - 040 ...

keropi · 31 August 2006, 00:09

lol DDNI, you and your crazy "get rich quick" schemes...

TjLaZer · 31 August 2006, 09:16

With WHDload the point is moot, keep the 040!

alexh · 31 August 2006, 10:02

It's a pitty we dont know anyone in Freescale (aka Motorola) who could get us some of the last generation 68040s.

The last ones run practically cold compared to the early ones used on the A1200 Amiga accelerators.

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/com...a740cc3d9270bc

Th MC68040RC40A with mask L88M should work much cooler even at 40MHz than the XC68040RC25 chips running at 25MHz

30 August 2006, 22:52	#1
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,433	Which should I sell? Ok I have two A1200 accelerators.... I must sell one..... 1. Apollo 1240/32 68882 FPU 32mb RAM - in use daily. 2. Blizzard 1230 IV 50MHz 68882 FPU 32mb RAM - not yet put to any use. Which should go????

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30 August 2006, 22:56	#2
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	easy, the 1230...

30 August 2006, 23:00	#3
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	Sell me the FPU out of the blizzard (I need one) then flog the 030

30 August 2006, 23:16	#4
Unknown_K Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio/USA Age: 55 Posts: 1,380	If you like gaming keep the Blizzard, besides a 68030 clocked at 50Mhz (with the correct FPU) is probably about the same as a 68040/25 anyway. The 040 will get you more money also (if you are in need of money and have to sell something).

30 August 2006, 23:39	#5
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	no.... the 040/25 is at least twice as fast as the 030/50...

31 August 2006, 00:02	#8
Unknown_K Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio/USA Age: 55 Posts: 1,380	Overall you have to take into acount what the computer is used for (I asked if he was a gamer since an 040 would hurt more then help) plus what the memory bus is clocked at (50Mhz vs 25Mhz) etc. Outside of a benchmark you need to get more then 2x as fast overall for most people to even notice a difference. At the end of the day I would keep what does the job I need, is the most stable, and generates the least amount of heat (if you are going to keep it in a desktop A1200). Or if you are selling because you need the cash, the most money. About the only thing the 040 chip has over the 030 is a much faster FPU which unless you need it on an Amiga for ray tracing apps is not that important. I don't have an 040 to compare it to my 030/50 blizzard, but my 68030/40 Mac IIfx keeps up with my 68040/33 Quadra 950's failry well outside of FPU related programs in normal use (the IIfx is only 40Mhz but has special RAM and some CPU cache).

31 August 2006, 00:08	#9
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,433	Thanks guys, I dont need the cash, I just need to keep the clutter down!! I just put the 1230 in my A1200 (specs below) It got 8.14 MIPS (Meaningless Items Per Second) in sysinfo. This compares to the Apollo 1240 which gets 18.24 MIPS. More than twice the differnce. Unknown_K makes a valid point about games, some dont work on the 040... I think I will probably keep them both

31 August 2006, 00:09	#11
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	lol DDNI, you and your crazy "get rich quick" schemes...

31 August 2006, 09:16	#12
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,927	With WHDload the point is moot, keep the 040!

31 August 2006, 10:02	#13
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,448	It's a pitty we dont know anyone in Freescale (aka Motorola) who could get us some of the last generation 68040s. The last ones run practically cold compared to the early ones used on the A1200 Amiga accelerators. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/com...a740cc3d9270bc Th MC68040RC40A with mask L88M should work much cooler even at 40MHz than the XC68040RC25 chips running at 25MHz

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