unknown 2.5ghz piv card

cybernoid · 13 January 2008, 12:47

i cant find this card in amiga-hardware site

http://cgi.ebay.de/AMIGA-2000-4000-P...QQcmdZViewItem

it says it has a p4 2.5 ghz, etc and works with an amiga 2000!!!

does anybody know this card?
is this true?

tks

DrF · 13 January 2008, 13:03

Found it before, look here, I too was confused :

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=387007#post387007

No one is still clear as to the Amiga relevance in the ad though, if it works like other SBCs I seen then it just uses what ever system as a slave for power/drives etc.

Zetr0 · 13 January 2008, 13:34

@DrF

this particular SBC can assume control over the ISA bus thats its plugged into, but i cannot share that bus I am afraid to say. Thus its only real way of communicating with the Amiga is network (SCSI/LAN)

basically its like having a PC inside the Amiga as opposed to another BOX.

_ThEcRoW · 13 January 2008, 13:48

But it is really a working bridgeboard for Amiga?. Seems like a expansion board for embedded devices that happens to work in the Amiga.
BTW, it is zorro or isa?.

Zetr0 · 13 January 2008, 14:41

@_ThEcRoW

the PICMG card is not a bridge board.. it has connectors for ISA and PCI and can bus master those port accordingly... it cannot communicate with the amiga on any of these buses as it HAS to be a master of that BUS.

the above is a Socket 478 P4 based PICMG factor motherboard or Single Board computer.

these boards are designed to work with a large array of ISA and PCI ports, usually in tandem with another for parallel processing in what is now old telecommunication servers.

I was hoping to get a picture of one of these boards but i cannot find one atm.

anyway I recently i used an AMD PICMG varient in this project

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=34217

I hope that clears up some confusion.

_ThEcRoW · 13 January 2008, 16:20

Ok, Zetro, now i understand more about it.
So then, it is only useful for pci expanded Amigas? The A4000 can get pci by the grex, but i don't know any pci expansion for the A2000. Or maybe ISA expansion boards were made. The question is how can this be used on an A2000?
Thanks!!

Zetr0 · 13 January 2008, 16:25

@_ThEcRoW

alas i think i have confused you more. sorry about that.

the device connects to the Amiga 4000 motherboard ISA slot, (it cannot use the PCI slot as there not in line) from this the SBC takes controll of the BUS (this means no amiga interaction can occur on that bus) so in effect its like making use of the the unused ISA slots on the A4000 with a PC on a card.

the only way the A4000 and PICMG card could communicate is through Serial/Ethernet or SCSI networking... other than that its just another computer inside the amiga. you would still have to flick the switch to either turn the OTHER monitor on or change over the signal in the KVM device.

the PICMG board has its own mouse / keyboard / video and sundry output ports.

yes you can use a PICMG factor board in any non-mastered ISA bus (i.e 2000) BUT the PICMG board does have a PCI edge connector and this may get in the way of any inline Zorro port.

_ThEcRoW · 13 January 2008, 17:52

Ok, i get it now. So this type of cards are used on telecommunication equipment?. Would be interesting a few links of this matter, just for knowing more about the subject. Thanks for the explanation!

cybernoid · 13 January 2008, 19:35

Thanks DRF

So, basically, nobody knows who made the card and if its avaiable commercial.

I also read that i can find those cards for 25$ - the card was selled for €250 (gosh!)

I looked better and youre right... its not a zorro card.

But the idea is very nice, indeed. Shame it was not zorro, so we need a mediator or sort of to connect.

But to get ride of my big pc box and crunch both systems together in a lovely a4000 standard case - and if it works - would be great!

In fact the card 2.5ghz is 100mhz faster than my pc. Thats why i said : "UÁAAU!"

Zetr0 · 13 January 2008, 19:54

@cybernoid

these types are cards are produced by a range of companys from FIC and DAE

have a lookie

http://search.ebay.com/single-board-...fonlyQQsasifZ1

At the moment (after the Christmas rush) there is a subtle low in the SBC offerings on eBay at the moment, but normally it pics up...

often you can picup a P3 / P4 PICMG for under 50 Euro's

please understand that these cards DONT need to be plugged into any bus to function, most have their own power in on the card and can function as an independent computer..

By plugging one of these into a Bud (ie. ISA OR PCI) it becomes a master of it. so most don't actually have to plug into an isa or pci back plane just into the PSU. Saying this though there are some that draw power from these buses so its wise to mention that.

cybernoid · 14 January 2008, 00:06

Tks Retro

I looked at your search and I found it very interesting

Didnt know about that thing at all-
I can buy a ppc board, install it on my pII and make it a mac...
and if i were an hacker, i could 'fool' the OS and make it being an amiga ppc.

But Im not. Im old for that and have a lot to do in real life

I prefer to wait for a new Amiga, but meanwhile my 4000 still gives me lots of joy (now im just taking a look at the new free Real 3D).
And about mac... I like Spectrum128, C128, even Atari 1040... but never mac. So ill keep with DSL inside PII !

Im very apreciated for your information.

13 January 2008, 12:47	#1
cybernoid Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 135	unknown 2.5ghz piv card i cant find this card in amiga-hardware site http://cgi.ebay.de/AMIGA-2000-4000-P...QQcmdZViewItem it says it has a p4 2.5 ghz, etc and works with an amiga 2000!!! does anybody know this card? is this true? tks

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13 January 2008, 13:03	#2
DrF Blessed A1200 Of TeH Rat Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bham, UK Age: 42 Posts: 496	Found it before, look here, I too was confused : http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=387007#post387007 No one is still clear as to the Amiga relevance in the ad though, if it works like other SBCs I seen then it just uses what ever system as a slave for power/drives etc.

13 January 2008, 13:34	#3
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@DrF this particular SBC can assume control over the ISA bus thats its plugged into, but i cannot share that bus I am afraid to say. Thus its only real way of communicating with the Amiga is network (SCSI/LAN) basically its like having a PC inside the Amiga as opposed to another BOX.

13 January 2008, 13:48	#4
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 942	But it is really a working bridgeboard for Amiga?. Seems like a expansion board for embedded devices that happens to work in the Amiga. BTW, it is zorro or isa?.

13 January 2008, 14:41	#5
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@_ThEcRoW the PICMG card is not a bridge board.. it has connectors for ISA and PCI and can bus master those port accordingly... it cannot communicate with the amiga on any of these buses as it HAS to be a master of that BUS. the above is a Socket 478 P4 based PICMG factor motherboard or Single Board computer. these boards are designed to work with a large array of ISA and PCI ports, usually in tandem with another for parallel processing in what is now old telecommunication servers. I was hoping to get a picture of one of these boards but i cannot find one atm. anyway I recently i used an AMD PICMG varient in this project http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=34217 I hope that clears up some confusion.

13 January 2008, 16:20	#6
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 942	Ok, Zetro, now i understand more about it. So then, it is only useful for pci expanded Amigas? The A4000 can get pci by the grex, but i don't know any pci expansion for the A2000. Or maybe ISA expansion boards were made. The question is how can this be used on an A2000? Thanks!!

13 January 2008, 16:25	#7
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@_ThEcRoW alas i think i have confused you more. sorry about that. the device connects to the Amiga 4000 motherboard ISA slot, (it cannot use the PCI slot as there not in line) from this the SBC takes controll of the BUS (this means no amiga interaction can occur on that bus) so in effect its like making use of the the unused ISA slots on the A4000 with a PC on a card. the only way the A4000 and PICMG card could communicate is through Serial/Ethernet or SCSI networking... other than that its just another computer inside the amiga. you would still have to flick the switch to either turn the OTHER monitor on or change over the signal in the KVM device. the PICMG board has its own mouse / keyboard / video and sundry output ports. yes you can use a PICMG factor board in any non-mastered ISA bus (i.e 2000) BUT the PICMG board does have a PCI edge connector and this may get in the way of any inline Zorro port.

13 January 2008, 17:52	#8
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 942	Ok, i get it now. So this type of cards are used on telecommunication equipment?. Would be interesting a few links of this matter, just for knowing more about the subject. Thanks for the explanation!

13 January 2008, 19:35	#9
cybernoid Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 135	Thanks DRF So, basically, nobody knows who made the card and if its avaiable commercial. I also read that i can find those cards for 25$ - the card was selled for €250 (gosh!) I looked better and youre right... its not a zorro card. But the idea is very nice, indeed. Shame it was not zorro, so we need a mediator or sort of to connect. But to get ride of my big pc box and crunch both systems together in a lovely a4000 standard case - and if it works - would be great! In fact the card 2.5ghz is 100mhz faster than my pc. Thats why i said : "UÁAAU!"

13 January 2008, 19:54	#10
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@cybernoid these types are cards are produced by a range of companys from FIC and DAE have a lookie http://search.ebay.com/single-board-...fonlyQQsasifZ1 At the moment (after the Christmas rush) there is a subtle low in the SBC offerings on eBay at the moment, but normally it pics up... often you can picup a P3 / P4 PICMG for under 50 Euro's please understand that these cards DONT need to be plugged into any bus to function, most have their own power in on the card and can function as an independent computer.. By plugging one of these into a Bud (ie. ISA OR PCI) it becomes a master of it. so most don't actually have to plug into an isa or pci back plane just into the PSU. Saying this though there are some that draw power from these buses so its wise to mention that.

14 January 2008, 00:06	#11
cybernoid Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 135	Tks Retro I looked at your search and I found it very interesting Didnt know about that thing at all- I can buy a ppc board, install it on my pII and make it a mac... and if i were an hacker, i could 'fool' the OS and make it being an amiga ppc. But Im not. Im old for that and have a lot to do in real life I prefer to wait for a new Amiga, but meanwhile my 4000 still gives me lots of joy (now im just taking a look at the new free Real 3D). And about mac... I like Spectrum128, C128, even Atari 1040... but never mac. So ill keep with DSL inside PII ! Im very apreciated for your information.

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