Discussion: Rygar AGA Edition - Page 81

mcgeezer · 26 October 2019, 23:42

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Originally Posted by S0ulA55a551n

Out of interest , how close do you reckon you could get to the arcade ?

Probably perfect on an A500.... bit of a job though.

VincentGR · 26 October 2019, 23:51

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Originally Posted by S0ulA55a551n

A proper shinobi port would be a dream Especially utilising AGA.

Out of interest , how close do you reckon you could get to the arcade ?

Oh Shinobi deserves that indeed.

malko · 27 October 2019, 00:00

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Originally Posted by mcgeezer

[...] If not then... I'll probably port Shinobi for Damien.

+1, +1 !

Wonderboy is cool, but so is Shinobi

DamienD · 27 October 2019, 15:23

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Originally Posted by mcgeezer

If not then... I'll probably port Shinobi for Damien.

I fear it will be a lot of work, Shinobi is a very intricate game

...but don't do it for me my friend; only do it if you want to.

I'm very happy just playing via MAME; but yes the Amiga needs a good version, especially after the official abomination

For me it's one of, if not the worst ports every to the Amiga.

hexaae · 27 October 2019, 15:41

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Originally Posted by DamienD

I'm very happy just playing via MAME; but yes the Amiga needs a good version, especially after the official abomination

For me it's one of, if not the worst ports every to the Amiga.

OMG, my brain totally removed it. Looks like a horrible PC CGA hand-drawn conversion. Amiga's Shadow Dancer was mediocre too.
I still play Shinobi on MAME... "Simple" but catchy gameplay in the good old days

DamienD · 27 October 2019, 16:05

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Originally Posted by hexaae

OMG, my brain totally removed it. Looks like a horrible PC CGA hand-drawn conversion.

I know, sooooo bad it's not funny

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Originally Posted by hexaae

Amiga's Shadow Dancer was mediocre too.

In fairness; Shadow Dancer on the Amiga was a pretty good port IMHO

Ok, not arcade perfect but...

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Originally Posted by hexaae

I still play Shinobi on MAME... "Simple" but catchy gameplay in the good old days

Yup, my favourite arcade game of all time as mentioned in this thread: Shinobi Boss Level 5... just oozes class and is so replayable time and time again.

Shatterhand · 27 October 2019, 16:42

Shadow Dancer on amiga was great. I would be really amazed to see someone doing a better job on an OCS system with 512kb Ram. I have a friend who could finish the arcade version without continues (an impressive feat), and when I showed him the Amiga version he was truly impressed with it. He obviously complained about the 1 button controller, but he said apart of this, a lower framerate and obvious less colors, the port was incredibly accurate with very few different stuff. He also said "The music also is completely different, but its actually a lot better on the Amiga version".

Shinobi in the other hand.... every tinme I play it, I feel it's a playable game, but its kinda slow and jerky, the scrolling is kinda messy but, mostly important, it looks SO DAMN HIDEOUS. The artist there did a really lousy job. I really wonder why they used just 2 colors for the parallax background... was it to get more speed? Maybe the back playfield is using just 1 bitplane?

If Amiga Shinobi ran at a better speed and had better graphics it would already be pretty solid IMO.

VincentGR · 27 October 2019, 16:58

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Originally Posted by damiend

...but don't do it for me my friend; only do it if you want to.

I agree with you as much as I want to see it

Or he can port something new for the Amiga like Sunset Riders or Chelnov

Shatterhand · 27 October 2019, 17:16

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Originally Posted by VincentGR

Sunset Riders

I always thought that, with the right cuts, this could be done on an OCS machine. The amount of stuff moving on screen could be hard to handle, and then the Horse level would probably be another nightmare though.

It's a *great* game. Would be a great addition for the Amiga library

VincentGR · 27 October 2019, 17:50

There is also the cut down megadrive version.
Ok it's a sprite beast but it is possible.

hexaae · 27 October 2019, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Shatterhand

Shadow Dancer on amiga was great. I would be really amazed to see someone doing a better job on an OCS system with 512kb Ram.

Probably true due to those limitations...

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a lower framerate and obvious less colors

... and less animations...
I agree music was even better then arcade, but after launching the MAME version I have to admit the original wasn't that good too as an arcade IMHO (I had a better memory of it)

...nobody mentioned Rolling Thunder, another old classic with a mediocre Amiga port from a technical point of view

hexaae · 27 October 2019, 18:13

@mcgeezer
What about adding PAUSE + QUIT to main menu to Bomb Jack Beer Edition?
There was also a little glitch with death anim left...

VincentGR · 27 October 2019, 18:14

Oh yes, Rolling Thunder was great indeed.

jotd · 27 October 2019, 18:30

Pause / ESC doesn't seem to work because interrupts are disabled... Also there's a programming error that triggers an access fault (table lookup with word index = $92Cxxx) ouch.

Code:

	LEA	(LAB_00DF,PC),A0	;0100a: 41fa0718
	BRA.S	LAB_00B8		;0100e: 6004
LAB_00B7:
	LEA	(some_table,PC),A0	;01010: 41fa0312
LAB_00B8:
      ; here D2 can be completely wrong, creating a negative offset)
	MOVE.B	(0,A0,D2.W),D0		;01014: 10302000
	EXT.W	D0			;01018: 4880
	ADD.W	(16,A2),D0		;0101a: d06a0010

I've updated the whdload slave with a lot of fixes (including second button & joypad support). Hopefully it will be able to run on a CD32 machine now with CD32Load.

jotd · 27 October 2019, 21:52

Oh and found another typo. After "SIESMIC MINDS", there's "RYGAR, THE LEGENDARDY WARRIOR"...

Tested on real miggy: the 2nd button issue is gone after I removed OS, all POTGO code from original & used my joypad read routine.

It has slowdowns probably because I'm only using chipmem on that slave ATM.

I found several annoying issues, not sure if they're whdload related:

- after ending a round, the next time you press fire, the shooting noise occurs but character doesn't shoot. Deadly if you fire only when meeting an enemy...
- level 5: vertical round, when climbing, the bat doesn't fire any projectile, which makes that part easy. Also I didn't remember you could kill it when climbing. Strangely enough, it starts dropping projectiles in the horizontal final section...

I've zoned a beta of the new slave

hexaae · 27 October 2019, 23:58

@JOTD
The issue "after a round, at the beginning of a new one no-fire bug" confirmed and reported some messages ago by me too

mcgeezer · 28 October 2019, 00:21

These all need to go in the bugs section.

When i have enough bugs reported then i’ll fix them all in one go... otherwise i end up doing multiple releases which just annoys people.

Tigerskunk · 28 October 2019, 08:57

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Originally Posted by Shatterhand

Shadow Dancer on amiga was great. I would be really amazed to see someone doing a better job on an OCS system with 512kb Ram. I have a friend who could finish the arcade version without continues (an impressive feat), and when I showed him the Amiga version he was truly impressed with it. He obviously complained about the 1 button controller, but he said apart of this, a lower framerate and obvious less colors, the port was incredibly accurate with very few different stuff. He also said "The music also is completely different, but its actually a lot better on the Amiga version".

It's still horribly ugly though, with its 7 colours for everything.
It made me cry seeing stuff like this after buying an Amiga because of how games like defender of the crown and marble madness looked.

These days I know enough of the technical backgrounds that I understand why many action games looked like this bad, but still, it hurts.

The OCS Amiga really needs an additional 512k to shine.

jotd · 28 October 2019, 09:41

@mcgeezer the slave I wrote is very likely to run on a stock CD32 with CD32Load, with joypad controls for pause. I didn't try it but I'm pretty sure it will work. I made sure that the memory layout leaves room for CD32load resident & CD buffers.

Problem is if you release 200 versions to fix bugs, yes, I'll have to adapt my slave again and again... it's even more the case with the newer adaptations to run without the OS.

But I'll manage. I'm going to log the bugs in the other thread.

mcgeezer · 28 October 2019, 13:00

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Originally Posted by jotd

Problem is if you release 200 versions to fix bugs, yes, I'll have to adapt my slave again and again... it's even more the case with the newer adaptations to run without the OS.

Indeed - this is why I'm waiting for as many bugs to be reported and then I'll fix them all over a couple of weeks.

I had to get the game released for Amiga34...otherwise it would have just dragged on and on.

27 October 2019, 18:30	#1614
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,164	Pause / ESC doesn't seem to work because interrupts are disabled... Also there's a programming error that triggers an access fault (table lookup with word index = $92Cxxx) ouch. Code: LEA (LAB_00DF,PC),A0 ;0100a: 41fa0718 BRA.S LAB_00B8 ;0100e: 6004 LAB_00B7: LEA (some_table,PC),A0 ;01010: 41fa0312 LAB_00B8: ; here D2 can be completely wrong, creating a negative offset) MOVE.B (0,A0,D2.W),D0 ;01014: 10302000 EXT.W D0 ;01018: 4880 ADD.W (16,A2),D0 ;0101a: d06a0010 I've updated the whdload slave with a lot of fixes (including second button & joypad support). Hopefully it will be able to run on a CD32 machine now with CD32Load.

27 October 2019, 21:52	#1615
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,164	Oh and found another typo. After "SIESMIC MINDS", there's "RYGAR, THE LEGENDARDY WARRIOR"... Tested on real miggy: the 2nd button issue is gone after I removed OS, all POTGO code from original & used my joypad read routine. It has slowdowns probably because I'm only using chipmem on that slave ATM. I found several annoying issues, not sure if they're whdload related: - after ending a round, the next time you press fire, the shooting noise occurs but character doesn't shoot. Deadly if you fire only when meeting an enemy... - level 5: vertical round, when climbing, the bat doesn't fire any projectile, which makes that part easy. Also I didn't remember you could kill it when climbing. Strangely enough, it starts dropping projectiles in the horizontal final section... I've zoned a beta of the new slave Last edited by jotd; 27 October 2019 at 23:42.

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27 October 2019, 16:42	#1607
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	Shadow Dancer on amiga was great. I would be really amazed to see someone doing a better job on an OCS system with 512kb Ram. I have a friend who could finish the arcade version without continues (an impressive feat), and when I showed him the Amiga version he was truly impressed with it. He obviously complained about the 1 button controller, but he said apart of this, a lower framerate and obvious less colors, the port was incredibly accurate with very few different stuff. He also said "The music also is completely different, but its actually a lot better on the Amiga version". Shinobi in the other hand.... every tinme I play it, I feel it's a playable game, but its kinda slow and jerky, the scrolling is kinda messy but, mostly important, it looks SO DAMN HIDEOUS. The artist there did a really lousy job. I really wonder why they used just 2 colors for the parallax background... was it to get more speed? Maybe the back playfield is using just 1 bitplane? If Amiga Shinobi ran at a better speed and had better graphics it would already be pretty solid IMO.

27 October 2019, 17:50	#1610
VincentGR Registered User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Greece Posts: 289	There is also the cut down megadrive version. Ok it's a sprite beast but it is possible.

27 October 2019, 18:13	#1612
hexaae Bug hunter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,161	@mcgeezer What about adding PAUSE + QUIT to main menu to Bomb Jack Beer Edition? There was also a little glitch with death anim left...

27 October 2019, 18:14	#1613
VincentGR Registered User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Greece Posts: 289	Oh yes, Rolling Thunder was great indeed.

27 October 2019, 23:58	#1616
hexaae Bug hunter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,161	@JOTD The issue "after a round, at the beginning of a new one no-fire bug" confirmed and reported some messages ago by me too

28 October 2019, 00:21	#1617
mcgeezer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Sunderland, England Posts: 2,702	These all need to go in the bugs section. When i have enough bugs reported then i’ll fix them all in one go... otherwise i end up doing multiple releases which just annoys people.

28 October 2019, 09:41	#1619
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,164	@mcgeezer the slave I wrote is very likely to run on a stock CD32 with CD32Load, with joypad controls for pause. I didn't try it but I'm pretty sure it will work. I made sure that the memory layout leaves room for CD32load resident & CD buffers. Problem is if you release 200 versions to fix bugs, yes, I'll have to adapt my slave again and again... it's even more the case with the newer adaptations to run without the OS. But I'll manage. I'm going to log the bugs in the other thread.

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