Gunship 2000 AGA - Few questions

10 December 2007, 03:57

I don’t know is this a bug or copy protection but after mission 4, when I get my squad I cannot hit anything with missiles. I didn’t play Gunship 2000 at least 10 years but I don’t remember that I have problems with my original game.

Second, I don’t know how to order someone from my squad to pick up missing pilots and troops. It seems I must order him to land with Blackhawk on top of missing pilot but it seems impossible to set precise waypoint. When i piloting Blackhawk it’s not a problem but I prefer to pilot assault choppers.

And again sorry for bad English

mailman · 10 December 2007, 10:16

As far as I remember it is a bug in the game (though I think corrected in WHDLoad version). I think ECS version is free of this flaw.

Angus · 10 December 2007, 12:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by mailman

As far as I remember it is a bug in the game (though I think corrected in WHDLoad version). I think ECS version is free of this flaw.

Yes, if you google comp.sys.amiga.games you should find some stuff about this. I think Microprose claimed at one point that the "feature" was implemented in order to balance up the gameplay, as flying with a squad made it too easy for the player.

No, seriously.

11 December 2007, 03:54

Thanks guys. Unfortunately, same thing with WHDLoad version from Killergorila’s package. Maybe JOTD can fix this in his next release.

mailman · 11 December 2007, 08:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mist

Thanks guys. Unfortunately, same thing with WHDLoad version from Killergorila’s package. Maybe JOTD can fix this in his next release.

So, I thought wrong that it had been fixed in WHDLoad version

Dust90 · 26 October 2008, 02:12

Sorry for a reply to an old thread, but I just recently found this forum. I too experienced the same problem. Missiles had about the same range as cannon, if they were effective at all. They worked just fine when you first started the game, being a single ship, but as soon as you had a squad of 5, the missiles were virtually useless. I dumped the AGA version of Gunship 2000 and went back to the ECS version and voila - missiles work as advertised!! I really don't notice the difference in graphics. Now if someone could just figure out how to get an analog joystick to work with G2000 in Winuae!!

vroom6sri · 10 May 2012, 21:50

OK so I am the post resurector again but... For what it's worth I have experienced the useless missiles when you fly as a squad BUT just today, once I'd refueled and re-armed at the FARP my missiles seemed to work! Oh well. That's it. But GS2000 is still pretty cool.

Solo Kazuki · 10 April 2018, 17:01

What flaw?

Some missiles REQUIRES constant locking on target. Just keep eye on enemy and everything will be ok.

Spyros · 19 April 2018, 06:49

This was a known problem with the AGA version.
Missiles worked normally in "Single Mission", but when you advanced rank and played in "Flight" or "Campaign" mode, your missiles would always miss, leaving you with only the gun.

This patch on Aminet fixes the problem: http://aminet.net/package/game/patch/gs2000AGAfix

DamienD · 19 April 2018, 10:53

Heya Spyros,

Welcome to EAB

Very interesting, thanks for the information

vroom6sri · 19 April 2018, 11:19

Great! I'll have to try this.

Thanks for posting it, Spyros and, if I am right in thinking that you are the author of this patch, thanks for fixing it!

Spyros · 19 April 2018, 12:14

@DamienD
Thanks, nice to meet you.

@vroom6sri
Yes, no problem. You're welcome.

Maybe a short description of this problem and a link to the patch could be added to the notes of the AGA version on HOL? So that people can play without problems.

I also read some more info on this on a blog during the weekend. It was by someone who posted his correspondence with Microprose Support on this problem back in the day. They replied that they were aware of this issue, but did not intend to fix it (if I remember correctly).
Unfortunately, I can't find the link again at the moment.
EDIT: Found it: http://www.verycomputer.com/2_12f2ce1b7fa73976_1.htm

vroom6sri · 19 April 2018, 15:41

Spyros - are you able to explain what the issue was (if it's not too technical)?

Spyros · 19 April 2018, 17:32

Sure, it was a byte value in the weapons' declaration. Eg. 1 byte determines order of appearance on the weapons list, etc. One of the values was later used to make the missile miss, so it looks like it was a feature.

lilalurl · 19 April 2018, 18:50

Thanks for the patch

.

Am I right when I think that your next assignment will be to make the DOS-only add-on missions playable on the Amiga versions?
http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/gu...o-disk-with-mi

One can always dream

Spyros · 19 April 2018, 19:58

@lilaurl
Sure, hold my beer for a second!

vroom6sri · 19 April 2018, 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyros

@lilaurl
Sure, hold my beer for a second!

designer77 · 03 April 2019, 20:54

Gunship 2000 my best simulator ever on the amiga computer

very playable, I start again play WOW

InterClaw · 27 April 2023, 04:16

@Spyros
If one has a GS2000 CD32 .lua file that one wants to play in PUAE 2021 in RetroArch, but also wanted to apply your patch to this .lua file, would that be at all possible? How would one go about accomplishing that?

Sorry, total noob here, as you can see from the number of posts I have...

10 December 2007, 03:57	#1
Mist Posts: n/a	Gunship 2000 AGA - Few questions I don’t know is this a bug or copy protection but after mission 4, when I get my squad I cannot hit anything with missiles. I didn’t play Gunship 2000 at least 10 years but I don’t remember that I have problems with my original game. Second, I don’t know how to order someone from my squad to pick up missing pilots and troops. It seems I must order him to land with Blackhawk on top of missing pilot but it seems impossible to set precise waypoint. When i piloting Blackhawk it’s not a problem but I prefer to pilot assault choppers. And again sorry for bad English

19 April 2018, 12:14	#12
Spyros Registered User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Athens Posts: 63	@DamienD Thanks, nice to meet you. @vroom6sri Yes, no problem. You're welcome. Maybe a short description of this problem and a link to the patch could be added to the notes of the AGA version on HOL? So that people can play without problems. I also read some more info on this on a blog during the weekend. It was by someone who posted his correspondence with Microprose Support on this problem back in the day. They replied that they were aware of this issue, but did not intend to fix it (if I remember correctly). Unfortunately, I can't find the link again at the moment. EDIT: Found it: http://www.verycomputer.com/2_12f2ce1b7fa73976_1.htm Last edited by Spyros; 19 April 2018 at 19:56.

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10 December 2007, 10:16	#2
mailman Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Warsaw/Poland Age: 45 Posts: 2,431	As far as I remember it is a bug in the game (though I think corrected in WHDLoad version). I think ECS version is free of this flaw.

11 December 2007, 03:54	#4
Mist Posts: n/a	Thanks guys. Unfortunately, same thing with WHDLoad version from Killergorila’s package. Maybe JOTD can fix this in his next release.

26 October 2008, 02:12	#6
Dust90 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Charleston, WV, USA Posts: 15	Sorry for a reply to an old thread, but I just recently found this forum. I too experienced the same problem. Missiles had about the same range as cannon, if they were effective at all. They worked just fine when you first started the game, being a single ship, but as soon as you had a squad of 5, the missiles were virtually useless. I dumped the AGA version of Gunship 2000 and went back to the ECS version and voila - missiles work as advertised!! I really don't notice the difference in graphics. Now if someone could just figure out how to get an analog joystick to work with G2000 in Winuae!!

10 May 2012, 21:50	#7
vroom6sri Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Peterborough Age: 47 Posts: 845	OK so I am the post resurector again but... For what it's worth I have experienced the useless missiles when you fly as a squad BUT just today, once I'd refueled and re-armed at the FARP my missiles seemed to work! Oh well. That's it. But GS2000 is still pretty cool.

10 April 2018, 17:01	#8
Solo Kazuki Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 1,302	What flaw? Some missiles REQUIRES constant locking on target. Just keep eye on enemy and everything will be ok.

19 April 2018, 06:49	#9
Spyros Registered User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Athens Posts: 63	This was a known problem with the AGA version. Missiles worked normally in "Single Mission", but when you advanced rank and played in "Flight" or "Campaign" mode, your missiles would always miss, leaving you with only the gun. This patch on Aminet fixes the problem: http://aminet.net/package/game/patch/gs2000AGAfix

19 April 2018, 10:53	#10
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Heya Spyros, Welcome to EAB Very interesting, thanks for the information

19 April 2018, 11:19	#11
vroom6sri Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Peterborough Age: 47 Posts: 845	Great! I'll have to try this. Thanks for posting it, Spyros and, if I am right in thinking that you are the author of this patch, thanks for fixing it!

19 April 2018, 15:41	#13
vroom6sri Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Peterborough Age: 47 Posts: 845	Spyros - are you able to explain what the issue was (if it's not too technical)?

19 April 2018, 17:32	#14
Spyros Registered User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Athens Posts: 63	Sure, it was a byte value in the weapons' declaration. Eg. 1 byte determines order of appearance on the weapons list, etc. One of the values was later used to make the missile miss, so it looks like it was a feature.

19 April 2018, 18:50	#15
lilalurl Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: France Posts: 3,289	Thanks for the patch . Am I right when I think that your next assignment will be to make the DOS-only add-on missions playable on the Amiga versions? http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/gu...o-disk-with-mi One can always dream

19 April 2018, 19:58	#16
Spyros Registered User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Athens Posts: 63	@lilaurl Sure, hold my beer for a second!

03 April 2019, 20:54	#18
designer77 designer77 Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Poland Posts: 32	Gunship 2000 my best simulator ever on the amiga computer very playable, I start again play WOW

27 April 2023, 04:16	#19
InterClaw Registered User Join Date: Apr 2023 Location: Stockholm / Sweden Posts: 1	@Spyros If one has a GS2000 CD32 .lua file that one wants to play in PUAE 2021 in RetroArch, but also wanted to apply your patch to this .lua file, would that be at all possible? How would one go about accomplishing that? Sorry, total noob here, as you can see from the number of posts I have...

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