Correct setting for PAL gaming

[Mixon]

Hello!
Old question, but I don't know the answer yet.
What is the correct emulator setting to emulate a PAL AMIGA machine on a standard 60 HZ refresh LCD monitor?
I suppose the 50 HZ setting would be the correct one, but that way the graphics don't work smoothly, especially the scrolling, on games like Pinball Fantasies. It lags a bit.
If I set the refresh to 60 HZ, the graphics will work smoothly, but the game speed will be too fast.
If you have the NTSC version of the game, it works fine at 60 HZ, but many games don't have that and the resolution is lower.
After reading up on old forums I found that the monitor should be set to 50 HZ somehow, which is not possible by default (Win10/NVIDIA card/Samsung Syncmaster), only with some external program like powerstrip was.
What is the easiest way to do this now?
Thank you!
M.

[TCD]

The NVidia Control Panel should have a setting for 50hz:

[Mixon]

No. There is only 60HZ or 59HZ

[AestheticDebris]

Very few monitors will sync down as low as 50Hz, if you want an accurate display you may need a higher frequency monitor that can sync at 100Hz.

[Mixon]

Thanx.

Is it a good solution if I use the 60HZ setting and reduce the amiga cpu speed by 17%?

[Mclane]

It's ok but the downside is that scrolling will not be super smooth under pal, look at some scroller demo's with text, you will see it mildly stutters in 60hz mode but if the emulated machine is set to a 60hz one it will be smooth, but run slightly faster.

Neither are an issue (unless the software uses timing for effects), it's just PAL raised people will think games and music are running too fast in 60hz mode. I look at it that I'm getting a slight speed increase on 3D stuff Basically, it's what you are used to..

[amilo3438]

Originally Posted by Mixon

No. There is only 60HZ or 59HZ

You must use HDMI connection on your monitor for 50Hz!
(Over old VGA connection there's no 50Hz.)

But if your monitor does not support HDMI, than sorry!
(EDIT: Or you can try to connect it on a TV via HDMI with game mode setting!)

[arcanist]

Most monitors made in the last couple of years, even cheap ones, now come with Freesync support. As long as the advertised VRR range goes a little below 50 Hz (48 Hz is common) then it likely offers a 50Hz mode in its EDID. You can find lists on Google or search for specific models to find their specs.

50Hz won't necessarily be stutter-free. The monitor's clock would have to exactly match the emulator's clock, which is unlikely.

If your GPU is 10-series or newer and you have a Freesync monitor then: enable "G-Sync Compatible" in the settings panel, turn off V-Sync in WinUAE, and the monitor should sync exactly to the emulator frame rate.

[rutra80]

Press that Customize... button and try to create your resolution at 50Hz.

[Retro-Nerd]

Most monitors with common HDTV native resolutions have 50Hz output via HDMI. And i've never seen a Freesync monitor without it in the last 6 years. And since a few years a lot of DisplayPort capable monitors can do it too.

[TCD]

I didn't even consider that people aren't using HDMI...

[Aulapatchuc]

Originally Posted by TCD

I didn't even consider that people aren't using HDMI...

True. I was about to say that the monitor does not support 50Hz, but from HDMI it will. Even my old Sony TV from 2008 supports it.

[Retro-Nerd]

I guess all European Flat TVs supported 50Hz from the beginning.

[Aulapatchuc]

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

I guess all European Flat TVs supported 50Hz from the beginning.

Also true.

I've checked and both my Samsung monitors support 50Hz from HDMI, one is old from 2011 the other from 2018 (maybe also old today ). The OP must give us more info.

[Mixon]

My monitor has a VGA socket and I can connect it to the HDMI port with a converter. I was able to do 50 HZ resolution in the NVIDIA control panel, but the monitor talked back to me like my grandmother used to talk back to the TV. It said that this was not the optimal mode and soon took the picture away (black screen).

I can't believe that in 2023 there is no simple software solution for this while we are flying to Mars...

[rutra80]

It could be a bit better but Toni would need to race the beam again
https://www.testufo.com/vrr

[giantclam]

Originally Posted by Aulapatchuc

Also true.

The OP must give us more info.

Very true ~ I have such a monitor as arcanist describes above ; syncs down to 48Hz (iirc the caveat was 20 or so pixels top/bottom letterboxing for some modes), but it handles it fine although these modes aren't part of the EDID data. On linux, to get at these modes you need to config the Xserver to ignore EDID, and define whatever modelines you want the monitor to do, and it works without the "I'm sorry dave, I can't let you do that" response (or just goes to blackscreen =)


....and yes, it's a Samsung SyncMaster (means nothing) --> aka. SyncMaster SA450 (on the front bezel, also means nothing) --> aka. Samsung Model: S19A450BR Type: LS19A450 ...that's the beastie, 'business class' monitor, not 'domestic consumer' monitor...and why SyncMaster SA450 means nothing...except from the subliminal advertising perspective...(think about it =)

[TCD]

Originally Posted by giantclam

....and yes, it's a Samsung SyncMaster (means nothing) --> aka. SyncMaster SA450 (on the front bezel, also means nothing) --> aka. Samsung Model: S19A450BR Type: LS19A450 ...that's the beastie, 'business class' monitor, not 'domestic consumer' monitor...and why SyncMaster SA450 means nothing...except from the subliminal advertising perspective...(think about it =)

I have a LF24T450F (which I now found out is one of those business monitors). It was pretty cheap when I got it though and as mentioned works great in 50hz mode.

[giantclam]

Originally Posted by TCD

I have a LF24T450F (which I now found out is one of those business monitors). It was pretty cheap when I got it though and as mentioned works great in 50hz mode.

Yeah, would've been around 5 or so years ago ~ there was a glut of them in the 2ndhand market, as businesses corporate upgrade all their displays to widescreen types. They were cheap as at the time (AUD70) so I grabbed a couple, just for Amiga tasks (emulator & real hardware)...definitely one of my better purchases. They live a 'charmed life' in service (always in aircon environment), and are always in good shape 2ndhand.

[Mixon]

My android tablet (Retroarch) and PS VITA (UAE4ALL) do not have the same problem. Can those displays run with 50HZ refresh?