Best ever Amiga platformer? - Page 4

seuden · 09 February 2010, 23:59

You're all wrong, Flimbo's Quest is the best platform game ever!!

wanderer · 10 February 2010, 01:12

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Originally Posted by Dan Locke

Excuse me? Turrican has a huge emphasis on exploring the levels, which involves "jumping and moving around". Yes, you do shoot enemies, but that's an accessory feature to the underlying platform game... What does cuteness have to do with anything?

But that's the point. A true platformer will never give you the amount of exploring freedom Turrican does. A platformer is mostly (if not all) about accuracy in moving/jumping. Turrican has a great deal of that, sure, but you have to be more accurate in shooting, rather than worrying about landing on the right platform.
I was half-joking about the cuteness of course, but still, if you look at most of the classic platformers, they are cute. The rules in this case come out of 'life-experience' (can't phrase this properly in English now, sorry

), and I am pretty sure the Turrican creators were more influenced from R-Type than Bubble Bobble.
The closest Turrican gets imo to platformers is its time limit, and we know how insignificant was that in the game. It's almost as if the... "Platform Game Association" forced the time-limit on Turrican!

laffer · 10 February 2010, 07:48

I think Turrican 2 can be called a platformer. That's what I've always called it, anyway.

Zool is also a lot about shooting enemies and less about perfect jumps, but I still consider it a platformer.

deicidal · 10 February 2010, 12:50

I always liked Rick Dangerouse, Superfrog, PP Hammer & Flood

pmc · 10 February 2010, 12:57

What about the Addams Family...?

In my opinion that's a really good, fun and addictive platform game...

wanderer · 10 February 2010, 12:59

Car-Vup, a bit unusual platformer, but still a great game. Addams Family also very nice.

seuden · 10 February 2010, 13:03

That looks so similar to the Disney film "Cars".

AB Positive · 10 February 2010, 14:22

There has been no mention of Harlequin in this thread, and therefore is invalid.

Monsterland · 10 February 2010, 14:52

Not really my favourite genre but I think Robocod, Rainbow Islands and New Zealand Story are Amiga's best platformers.

btw, how is Pang a platformer?

paulo_becas · 10 February 2010, 15:27

Super Frog, James Pond 2, Global Gladiators, Doofus.

Dan Locke · 10 February 2010, 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanderer

But that's the point. A true platformer will never give you the amount of exploring freedom Turrican does.

I guess that Sonic the Hedgehog, Superfrog, and Brian the Lion aren't platformers either? Does your definition of "platformer" include anything besides single-screen Taito arcade games? If Bubble Bobble had levels bigger than the screen, would it cease to be a platformer as well?

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanderer

A platformer is mostly (if not all) about accuracy in moving/jumping. Turrican has a great deal of that, sure, but you have to be more accurate in shooting, rather than worrying about landing on the right platform.

As somebody who has played the Turrican games a great deal, I can safely say that you're completely wrong. Half of the time, you can kill enemies by simply rolling into them or jumping on them, and you often have to do a lot of backtracking if you miss a jump.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanderer

I am pretty sure the Turrican creators were more influenced from R-Type than Bubble Bobble.

Yeah, I can totally see the R-Type influence. It has the same constant left-to-right scrolling, fixed player orientation, lack of gravity, emphasis on dodging enemy bullets, and Force Pod that we all know and love.

Oh, wait, it doesn't, at least not in 90% of the game.

By the way, Bubble Bobble has quite a bit of shooting in it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanderer

The closest Turrican gets imo to platformers is its time limit, and we know how insignificant was that in the game. It's almost as if the... "Platform Game Association" forced the time-limit on Turrican!

Yeah, all that jumping on platforms? Totally irrelevant. And the time limit is hardly insignificant: often, you'll have to choose between exploring more of the level and possibly running out of time, or going straight through and missing most of the bonuses.

TCD · 10 February 2010, 16:54

I missed the 'definition of a platformer' bit right? Anyway, guess jumping and some sort of platforms in a game qualifies it as a 'platformer'. If that is the main point of the game is another question...

Mogilny · 11 February 2010, 22:53

Didn't have the energy to read all the posts about what is and what isn't a platformer so the ignore the ones you feel isn't one. My favourites: James Pond 2, Another World, Flashback and Turrican 2. It's probably like cursing in the church but I never found Shadow of the Beast 2 to be a great game.

Didn't really like Lionheart either. Overall I wasn't too impressed by the platformers on the Amiga but the ones I mentioned was far better than anything I played on any other computer/console.

AB Positive · 12 February 2010, 19:18

Turrican is not a platformer. It's a run-n-gun. It's in the same category as Contra and Metal slug.

Turrican is not a platformer.

Turrican is not a platformer!

Neither is Turrican II.

As someone that helped work with a rarity guide on gaming that required gameplay definitions, I'm no expert but I've been in the field. So let's stop with the putting Turrican in this discussion.

If it WAS a platformer, it'd be the best one. But it's not.

Although my own assertion is also then wrong - Harlequin is at most half-platformer/half-run'n'gun (It has the platformer elements of levels and exploration akin to Super Mario Bros. however has the run'n'gun "different weapons and lots of enemies to kill" elements too - technically disqualified from discussion).

On these merits I instead give my vote to Giana Sisters.

xoen · 12 February 2010, 19:58

james pond(s) and ruff 'n tumble, gods, and of COURSE Lionheart. imho.

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By the way, Bubble Bobble has quite a bit of shooting in it.

hm..ok, i forgot to say it is best game ever(i can consider it as platformer too, then it is BEST platformer too, yup).

upd: if Rick Dangerous is platform game, really, if it is, all right...add it to my list

Jonathan Drain · 14 February 2010, 06:14

I thought run-n-gun games were a subset of platformers.

Dastardly · 14 February 2010, 13:02

I don't really consider Turrican 2 to be a platformer. I'd say it's more of an explorative run and gun game. If you took the platform elements away and had it as a straight left to right pure run and gun, it would still hold up and be pretty fun. However, if you took the shooting elements away and had the game as a pure platformer (lets just say you could kill all the enemies by jumping on them in this case), it would be pretty dull as the challenge isn't about negotiating platforms. The platforming parts of the game don't really increase in difficulty like they do in a dedicated platform game, they are more there to make the exploration more interesting.

SMW, Rainbow Islands, NZS are platformers.

Turrican 2, Gods, Flashback are not.

DKC is shit.

Fingerlickin_B · 14 February 2010, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by alpyre

Lets not forget "Naughty Ones"...
it was fun...

Now that is indeed a fun game, like Creatures...some things to learn along the way, but not a game that will send you insane trying to figure it out!

PZ.

Dan Locke · 14 February 2010, 21:14

I still fail to understand how adding a gun to a platformer causes it to stop being a platformer.

Jonathan Drain · 15 February 2010, 07:26

Is Ruff 'n' Tumble a platformer, then, or a run-n-gun?

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09 February 2010, 23:59	#61
seuden uber cool demi god Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent/England Posts: 2,073	You're all wrong, Flimbo's Quest is the best platform game ever!!

10 February 2010, 07:48	#63
laffer Zone Friend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Norway Age: 43 Posts: 1,335	I think Turrican 2 can be called a platformer. That's what I've always called it, anyway. Zool is also a lot about shooting enemies and less about perfect jumps, but I still consider it a platformer.

10 February 2010, 12:50	#64
deicidal Registered Insane Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ununited Kingdom Posts: 792	I always liked Rick Dangerouse, Superfrog, PP Hammer & Flood

10 February 2010, 12:57	#65
pmc gone Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: completely gone Posts: 1,596	What about the Addams Family...? In my opinion that's a really good, fun and addictive platform game...

10 February 2010, 12:59	#66
wanderer I want an A1000 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pac-Land Posts: 738	Car-Vup, a bit unusual platformer, but still a great game. Addams Family also very nice.

10 February 2010, 13:03	#67
seuden uber cool demi god Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent/England Posts: 2,073	That looks so similar to the Disney film "Cars".

10 February 2010, 14:22	#68
AB Positive kachou ON! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New Hampshire, US Posts: 192	There has been no mention of Harlequin in this thread, and therefore is invalid.

10 February 2010, 14:52	#69
Monsterland Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Netherlands Age: 47 Posts: 208	Not really my favourite genre but I think Robocod, Rainbow Islands and New Zealand Story are Amiga's best platformers. btw, how is Pang a platformer?

10 February 2010, 15:27	#70
paulo_becas Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Porto, Portugal Posts: 464	Super Frog, James Pond 2, Global Gladiators, Doofus.

10 February 2010, 16:54	#72
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,525	I missed the 'definition of a platformer' bit right? Anyway, guess jumping and some sort of platforms in a game qualifies it as a 'platformer'. If that is the main point of the game is another question...

11 February 2010, 22:53	#73
Mogilny Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Amiga 4-ever! Posts: 121	Didn't have the energy to read all the posts about what is and what isn't a platformer so the ignore the ones you feel isn't one. My favourites: James Pond 2, Another World, Flashback and Turrican 2. It's probably like cursing in the church but I never found Shadow of the Beast 2 to be a great game. Didn't really like Lionheart either. Overall I wasn't too impressed by the platformers on the Amiga but the ones I mentioned was far better than anything I played on any other computer/console.

12 February 2010, 19:18	#74
AB Positive kachou ON! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New Hampshire, US Posts: 192	Turrican is not a platformer. It's a run-n-gun. It's in the same category as Contra and Metal slug. Turrican is not a platformer. Turrican is not a platformer! Neither is Turrican II. As someone that helped work with a rarity guide on gaming that required gameplay definitions, I'm no expert but I've been in the field. So let's stop with the putting Turrican in this discussion. If it WAS a platformer, it'd be the best one. But it's not. Although my own assertion is also then wrong - Harlequin is at most half-platformer/half-run'n'gun (It has the platformer elements of levels and exploration akin to Super Mario Bros. however has the run'n'gun "different weapons and lots of enemies to kill" elements too - technically disqualified from discussion). On these merits I instead give my vote to Giana Sisters.

14 February 2010, 06:14	#76
Jonathan Drain Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sector K240 Posts: 338	I thought run-n-gun games were a subset of platformers.

14 February 2010, 13:02	#77
Dastardly Into the Wonderful Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Age: 49 Posts: 2,335	I don't really consider Turrican 2 to be a platformer. I'd say it's more of an explorative run and gun game. If you took the platform elements away and had it as a straight left to right pure run and gun, it would still hold up and be pretty fun. However, if you took the shooting elements away and had the game as a pure platformer (lets just say you could kill all the enemies by jumping on them in this case), it would be pretty dull as the challenge isn't about negotiating platforms. The platforming parts of the game don't really increase in difficulty like they do in a dedicated platform game, they are more there to make the exploration more interesting. SMW, Rainbow Islands, NZS are platformers. Turrican 2, Gods, Flashback are not. DKC is shit.

14 February 2010, 21:14	#79
Dan Locke Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA Posts: 111	I still fail to understand how adding a gun to a platformer causes it to stop being a platformer.

15 February 2010, 07:26	#80
Jonathan Drain Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sector K240 Posts: 338	Is Ruff 'n' Tumble a platformer, then, or a run-n-gun?

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