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20 May 2021, 09:31 | #242 | |
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Making it happen also implies that it has to reach Amiga users who can be counted, so to speak. While there may be respect in the forums, even cheering, the value of such work is ultimatively determined by how many sales are being made. And this happens regardless of whether the work done was performed on a volunteer basis or not so much. We would like to do another one of these, if they permit us, and keep doing so. The chances of this happening increase if you can find commercial value in the effort. You decide how you want to play it, and whether or not it rubs you the wrong way in how the AmigaOS development team decided to "pay it forward". We made sacrifices, and we knew what we were committing to. But it's also been a fun experience, so don't get me wrong: we didn't travel to the peak of the mountain, occasional hardship and exhaustion included, for the challenge and the scars. There was a nice view, too, in the end |
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20 May 2021, 10:29 | #243 |
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I guess one way to think of it is like the old mail order PD houses that used to charge a nominal amount for distributing disks. The original developers never got anything from that. I know the amount hyperion is charging isn't really a nominal fee but the developers did this for fun not profit - much like the many developers (of which I am one) who write stuff for the Amiga for free. I want to see more development on the Amiga OS so I'll gladly pay for that.
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20 May 2021, 12:59 | #244 |
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One big Amiga Tick from me, very grateful for the Classic AmigaOS still being updated. I’m quite excited about getting hold of this update.
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20 May 2021, 13:14 | #245 |
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The ability for us Amiga users to be able and enjoy new Amiga OS in 2021 and after almost 30 years where Commodore died, i can only describe it as Extreme Luck and Luxury!!! So the least for us users and amiga fans to do in order to keep this going and congratulate the devs for all the time and effort that they have put into this, is to go ahead and buy / support and embrace this whole movement. Otherwise we will end up using a terribly old OS (just because we love amigas and there is nothing else out there for us) and go around in circles doing the same things over and over again.
What the devs are doing is not for us to decide, but we should be here and support / reward their effort and be thankfull for it. Amiga community has always suffered from miserable people who just see the wrong side to everything and never the good one. But i find it so hard to believe that even during such exciting times with new OS's in the last 3 years and new hardware coming out in 2021, they still find things to complain about. Myself i have ordered 2 copies of Amiga OS 3.2 not because i need both of them but just to help in eliminating the harm other people wll do by not supporting this effort for whatever reason. Well done to everyone who was and still is involved in this. You all keep our dream alive. Thank you |
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20 May 2021, 14:25 | #247 | |
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20 May 2021, 15:14 | #248 |
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Well it seems to me (from a distance) that the only option for things like 3.2 and further to happen involve Hyperion. It seems unlikely that Hyperion will gracefully bow out and allow the rights to be picked up elsewhere if there are insufficient commercial sales. Therefore if we wish to see any such development we need to encourage Hyperion to allow/generate it.
If developers are willing to work effectively for the satisfaction of seeing the development (which seems to be the case above and is to be applauded), and the normal community also wants to see development, then logically we need to buy 3.2. So I have. This has nothing to do with any personal views of Hyperion etc or desires for better development models that reward developers, this is just how I see it from a "This is how it is" point of view. This is an exciting time all round with both hardware and software developments for our amiga's, it feels like there is a bit of momentum at the minute. It would be a shame to lose that. |
20 May 2021, 16:18 | #249 | |
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Let's stop portraying Hyperion here as some kind of savior that "allows" this to happen. This is some sad, sad bullshit situation and it really pisses me off, as a long time Amiga user, as an Amiga developer, that every time these issues pop up, the common reaction nowadays is to shut it down, and to cut Hyperion slack. If we can't even discuss this ourselves, this will never get resolved, and I refuse to believe that this cannot be resolved in a manner that would benefit the userbase better. It is not OK for me to let Hyperion get money so they further increase their choking grasp on AmigaOS's neck. But it is also not OK to not support this fantastic development and the real people involved behind it. Things shouldn't be this way |
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20 May 2021, 16:47 | #250 | |
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a) things are moving. b) all the devs knew what they were up to and are not complaining c) some of the money flows back into things like buying back Reaction UI d) we get a professional product e) not that I am huge fan of Hyperion, but at least they got some stuff going over the last 15 years, on the contrary to Cloanto who have the Amiga IP for over two years now and DIDN'T DO JACK SHIT WITH IT except being IP trolls about it as far as I have heard. |
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I have CDTV and saw this about extended ROMs - I had the problem with the 2.30 missing 2MB memory which was due to the Kluges in it being for the 500 so i use the 2.7 ROMs - these work fine Looking forward to trying the OS on all my machines |
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20 May 2021, 18:45 | #252 | |
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"DefIcons turns any faked icon (displayed when you pick the menu item Window/Show/All Files) into a more meaningful one. Depending on its prefs file, the program can identify different filetypes and supply an appropiate icon for each of them." I'm pointing this out to make it clear that what I'm saying and what I'm proposing (even just for the sake of abstract conversation) is not born out of a misunderstanding from my side, but is based on pretty solid grounds. In this conversation you revealed that at some point DefIcons was given also the function of returning the type of files upon request (and that the API to make use of such function is not public), and I pointed out that such design isn't clean and that having icon.library as the interface for DefIcons makes things even worse (I won't repeat again the reasons: they are explained in my previous posts). I'm not pointing fingers, just saying the current design is less than ideal (explaining why). By the way, while writing here, I realized another negative aspect of the design: there's some overlap with the datatypes system, which also performs some file type recognition. Just imagine if the design were like the one I proposed earlier: if a well-defined, dedicated file type recognition engine existed - let's call it filetypes.library, for example - DefIcons / datatypes / your favourite file manager / etc. could very easily have files recognized for them, and the system would be leaner (no code duplication and bloat), faster, more robust, modular, expandible. |
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amigastore.eu claim to have 3.2 in stock, just ordered mine, thanx devs!
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21 May 2021, 00:45 | #254 |
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I like new software, I bought it. Thank you Hyperion and thank you developers!
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21 May 2021, 00:58 | #255 | |
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I don't think there's anything to thank Hyperion for. For years Hyperion blocked the further development of AmigaOS 3.x and only when they found out that it was one of the only ways to squeeze more money, the situation changed... All my thanks go to the developers! |
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21 May 2021, 01:05 | #256 | |
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I don't think the situation is that simple. Cloanto don't have key developers like Olaf and Thomas and I am not sure they could have developed AmigaOS for another company after they got "involved" with Hyperion. (Am I wrong?) Also can somebody explain to me "buying back Reaction UI"? I thought it is just backport from AOS4. |
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21 May 2021, 06:04 | #258 | |
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Wake me up when Cloanto/AMIGA does something worthwhile. |
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21 May 2021, 06:30 | #259 | |
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can't we just have a thread about how cool it is that 3.2 is out? or does it always have to devolve into an argument about crap? |
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21 May 2021, 10:20 | #260 |
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We all are happy for the new version, but these issues needs to be talked about .. It is very crazy that a company that got a contract to port the OS to PPC (worth $25000) is still in the courts claiming they are some kind of owner..
And Cloanto that delivers Winuae on a disc, year after year like a Fifa game, what a waste of potential and momentum... Where would these two companies be without these copyrights ? Not in the Amiga scene that is for sure Read more: https://sites.google.com/site/amigad...f-the-AmigaOS- |
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