Does switching to Direct3d mode affect input in anyway?

jimmy2x2x · 14 April 2011, 15:03

When I run in Direct3d keyboard input behaves very strange for me, massive lag for input and not releasing keys (ie tap right, 1 second delay then it is held down for a few seconds)

In DirectDraw input is perfect.

This is 100% repeatable for me on this particular system.

WinUAE 2.3.1
No buffering, double buffering and triple all behave the same
XP sp3
Geforce 5200 FX (agp)
drivers: 175.16

AmigaFriend · 14 April 2011, 16:05

You have a 3 years old driver. Highly advised to update to newer version. As pointed out in many threads from the last couple of years, updating drivers especially in Nvidia cards solves lots of problems.

Don't forget to update to lastest version of DirectX 9

Retro-Nerd · 14 April 2011, 16:08

Newer Nvidia driver doesn't support the 5000er series anymore. Btw: the FX5200 was one of the worst Geforce cards ever.

Toni Wilen · 14 April 2011, 16:22

It is driver issue but different priority settings might still help.

jimmy2x2x · 14 April 2011, 16:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by xpect

You have a 3 years old driver. Highly advised to update to newer version. As pointed out in many threads from the last couple of years, updating drivers especially in Nvidia cards solves lots of problems.

Don't forget to update to lastest version of DirectX 9

This is the newest driver available for the graphics card, DX9 is up to date

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Newer Nvidia driver doesn't support the 5000er series anymore. Btw: the FX5200 was one of the worst Geforce cards ever.

I only use the fx 5200 because of its high compatability with Amithlon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

It is driver issue but different priority settings might still help.

I have it set to above normal, thanks anyway!

Retro-Nerd · 14 April 2011, 16:51

Then you're probably out of luck. I guess a Geforce 6 is the minimum for newer WinUAE versions.

Toni Wilen · 14 April 2011, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Then you're probably out of luck. I guess a Geforce 6 is the minimum for newer WinUAE versions.

Interesting conclusion.

Retro-Nerd · 14 April 2011, 16:58

If you want to use newer drivers then you need at least a Geforce 6. Unless there are no better legacy drivers for older cards...you could still use DirectDraw, true.

jimmy2x2x · 14 April 2011, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Then you're probably out of luck. I guess a Geforce 6 is the minimum for newer WinUAE versions.

Not at all, in my case everything is perfect in DirectDraw with the exception of speed.

In DirectDraw mode I experience slowdown in just 1 game (Zout title screen with the zooming letters drops from 50fps to about 33fps) I haven't noticed any other issues, and this one could probably be solved with a more powerful cpu/lower screen res.

In Direct3D mode, the slowdown is gone(solid 50fps in Zout title) but it has the input problem in the OP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

If you want to use newer drivers then you need at least a Geforce 6. Unless there are no better legacy drivers for older cards...you could still use DirectDraw, true.

I have a 6200 agp here, I will try that out.

zipper · 14 April 2011, 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy2x2x

Geforce 5200 FX (agp)
drivers: 175.16

173.90 seems to be the best working driver for FX cards, even with Win7. And none of the newer drivers seems to work.

AmigaFriend · 14 April 2011, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Newer Nvidia driver doesn't support the 5000er series anymore. Btw: the FX5200 was one of the worst Geforce cards ever.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy2x2x

This is the newest driver available for the graphics card, DX9 is up to date

Quote:

Originally Posted by zipper

173.90 seems to be the best working driver for FX cards, even with Win7. And none of the newer drivers seems to work.

I've found very last version supporting 5200fx is 175.19, but you could try also zipper's tip.

I have an 8 year old Radeon 9600Pro 256Mb and deals without any problem latest version of WinUAE. Your card is roughly 60% slower in pixel and texture rate and has 400% less memory bandwith. Maybe is not powerful enough to deal with more modern WinUAE versions.

Retro-Nerd · 14 April 2011, 18:26

The FX 5200 is maybe comparable with a Geforce 2 MX/3 Ti. Could be a bit too slow indeed, or just too old drivers. I'm pretty sure a 6200 works a lot better.

jimmy2x2x · 14 April 2011, 20:16

Replaced FX5200 with 6200
Fresh install of XP
Fully updated with windows update
DX fully up to date

The issue remains.

It seems to be directly related to Vsync with Direct3D.

Direct3D Fullscreen+Vsync = input problem is present

Direct3D Fullscreen = no input problem

DirectDraw Fullscreen+Vsync = no input problem

DirectDraw Fullscreen = no input problem

Toni Wilen · 14 April 2011, 21:20

Driver busy waiting for vsync. Try below normal priority (if you didn't already try)

jimmy2x2x · 14 April 2011, 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Driver busy waiting for vsync. Try below normal priority (if you didn't already try)

That did it!

Thank you (again) Toni

I would have never related that setting to my issue, I thought that was priority over background tasks.

I will try the 5200 card again later on and see if that solves the issue with that card too (I have a strong feeling it will)

andreas · 15 April 2011, 02:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Newer Nvidia driver doesn't support the 5000er series anymore.

Thanks! That's what I wanted to hear.

Otherwise I too would have upgraded to newer version, since I have the same card.

Quote:

Btw: the FX5200 was one of the worst Geforce cards ever.

Meh, thanks a lot, there was no need to be that gentle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Driver busy waiting for vsync. Try below normal priority (if you didn't already try

Nice catch, but once I do this here, sound will go bonkers (scratch and chop like hell). And no, mucking with the buffer settings is no remedy at all.

15 April 2011, 19:19

Interesting. This kinda' sucks for me since I use a laptop. I have the latest Direct X and the latest Driver for my Video card. Blank screen. Unless I boot without a virtual floppy. Then I see it actually ask for a Workbench disk. I hate to go back to another version of WinUAE. Is there talks about fixing this or if you want to run it you have to get a new laptop?

Mixter · 17 April 2011, 11:21

Try fiddling with driver pre-buffer-images/vsync etc driver settings. Alternatively if you have a nvidia card, try one driver from http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/ that is newer. Just one suggestion, I don't know if it works but try. Use the PCI_VEN id search (from device manager for compatibility) or the INF mod (hack).

14 April 2011, 15:03	#1
jimmy2x2x Beyond Mutton Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: North West, UK Age: 52 Posts: 347	Does switching to Direct3d mode affect input in anyway? When I run in Direct3d keyboard input behaves very strange for me, massive lag for input and not releasing keys (ie tap right, 1 second delay then it is held down for a few seconds) In DirectDraw input is perfect. This is 100% repeatable for me on this particular system. WinUAE 2.3.1 No buffering, double buffering and triple all behave the same XP sp3 Geforce 5200 FX (agp) drivers: 175.16

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14 April 2011, 16:05	#2
AmigaFriend Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sesimbra/Portugal Posts: 1,462	You have a 3 years old driver. Highly advised to update to newer version. As pointed out in many threads from the last couple of years, updating drivers especially in Nvidia cards solves lots of problems. Don't forget to update to lastest version of DirectX 9

14 April 2011, 16:08	#3
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	Newer Nvidia driver doesn't support the 5000er series anymore. Btw: the FX5200 was one of the worst Geforce cards ever.

14 April 2011, 16:22	#4
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,534	It is driver issue but different priority settings might still help.

14 April 2011, 16:51	#6
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	Then you're probably out of luck. I guess a Geforce 6 is the minimum for newer WinUAE versions.

14 April 2011, 16:58	#8
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	If you want to use newer drivers then you need at least a Geforce 6. Unless there are no better legacy drivers for older cards...you could still use DirectDraw, true.

14 April 2011, 18:26	#12
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	The FX 5200 is maybe comparable with a Geforce 2 MX/3 Ti. Could be a bit too slow indeed, or just too old drivers. I'm pretty sure a 6200 works a lot better.

14 April 2011, 20:16	#13
jimmy2x2x Beyond Mutton Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: North West, UK Age: 52 Posts: 347	Replaced FX5200 with 6200 Fresh install of XP Fully updated with windows update DX fully up to date The issue remains. It seems to be directly related to Vsync with Direct3D. Direct3D Fullscreen+Vsync = input problem is present Direct3D Fullscreen = no input problem DirectDraw Fullscreen+Vsync = no input problem DirectDraw Fullscreen = no input problem

14 April 2011, 21:20	#14
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,534	Driver busy waiting for vsync. Try below normal priority (if you didn't already try)

15 April 2011, 19:19	#17
mistermsk Posts: n/a	Interesting. This kinda' sucks for me since I use a laptop. I have the latest Direct X and the latest Driver for my Video card. Blank screen. Unless I boot without a virtual floppy. Then I see it actually ask for a Workbench disk. I hate to go back to another version of WinUAE. Is there talks about fixing this or if you want to run it you have to get a new laptop?

17 April 2011, 11:21	#18
Mixter Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Stockholm Posts: 42	Try fiddling with driver pre-buffer-images/vsync etc driver settings. Alternatively if you have a nvidia card, try one driver from http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/ that is newer. Just one suggestion, I don't know if it works but try. Use the PCI_VEN id search (from device manager for compatibility) or the INF mod (hack).

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