Real Amiga vs Emulated Amiga

[Methanoid]

Whilst I am often tempted to go back to a real Amiga (which I do every year or so and then sell it cos I dont use it enough) I am curious to see some REAL WORLD comparisons on the speed front....

eg:

Real A500, A1200, A4000
Athlon XP xxxx mhz running WinUAE
Pentium 4 xxxx mhz running WinUAE
(and variations of above using RTG for example)...

I'm particularly curious to know what sort of speed P4 would produce A4000 speed, 060/50mhz speed and so on...

Anyone know of any tests done?

[Shoonay]

Yet another "strange" (Aki' probably would use a different word ) comparison thread

The main problem could be that WinUAE can "only" emulate up to 040 ...

But it would be nice to see how much it takes, and try to run SysInfo on an emulated Amiga 040 running on a 300MHz Celeron

[wlcina]

I think speed of emulation depends not only machine which is emulationg, but on emulated system/running processes/etc etc.

[Methanoid]

Sure, I know that it is not straightforward... I wonder if there were some sort of benchmark (not AIBB) but something real world (like frames per second on Frontier or something) that could give an idea. Something slightly less "woolly" than "My P4 1600mhz runs about at 040 speed I think"...

Hmmm I wonder..... 680x0 Quake Frame Rates ???? Would presumably show an emulated machine with RTG was quicker?

Any low end pc you buy today emulates cpu sensitive amiga programs faster than a 060 with JIT. My old 800mhz Athlon(non xp) did. It's quite pointless to compare. Speed is never an issue with WinUAE.

[dirkies]

I still prefer running stuff on my real amigas (got a 500 & 4000) than WinUAE, the nostalgia is just so strong when you hear the whirring floppy drive

[keropi]

...get the real thing.... nothing beats that.... OK, except when talking about PSX

[AMIGAZ]

Yeah, amiga software should be run on real amigas not on microsoft's lapdog machines.
Maybe if you didn't have a real amiga when you were young and felt that experience it doesn't matter because then the nostalgia isn't there.

[magnox]

yeh bit of a hardcore miggy fan 2 prefer running the games on the original, doesent feel the same otherwise, however I find that winuae runs quake (clickboom port) adoom and gloom perfectly and all run full speed on top quality even though the emulator is set for 020 processor + fpu, 2mb chip and 8mb fast ram - no rtg. But all in all if you know the amiga legacy and have come to love the machine as im sure well all do, original is still best (and doesent crash as much)

[spiff]

Hehe.. emulated amiga probably runs quake a lot faster.. not that I get the point of it since its a port from a system you're emulating your emumiga on.. :P

For real speed.. I've been wondering how fast/slow the original diskdrive was.. adf/caps emulated feels slower then what I remember.

All of the other speed, CPU, hd, gfx.. I just think of them as **** much faster then the amiga. I guess A64s have that side effect

[Firthy2002]

Nothing beats the real thing.

[Fred the Fop]

I emulate everything. There's no "feel" for me. It's fucking binary code and chips and shit.
I find my groove in authentic music or cuisine or fabric or something soulful, tangible, deep. I don't see this "Real thing" stuff applying to a machine.

[Methanoid]

FRed, does the emulation stretch into real life? Emulated wife? I wish....

[Amiga1992]

Originally Posted by Fred the Duck

I don't see this "Real thing" stuff applying to a machine.

What can a necrophyliac gay duck know about the Real Thing??

[HOL2001]

Don't hesitate, just emulate !

[MacTO]

I rarely use emulators. More often than not, they are more difficult to setup than the real thing. A real Amiga, you just plug it and go. My A500 is also completely silent when the hard drive is removed, which is a whole other computing experience. Tracking down real hardware and software is part of the fun too. Boxed software is interesting too. Particularly from the era when the actually included manuals.

[buckrogers]

I find my groove in authentic music or cuisine or fabric or something soulful, tangible, deep.

Hey Fred, you mean like pieces of soggy hot dog bread buns?

OK everyone. That's enough bashing one little duck for one day.

[Marcuz]

Originally Posted by buckrogers

little duck

little? a fat duck transvestite newyorker that uses indifferently Lawrence Olivier and Liberace and dead monkeys wearing lipstick' avatars, little? with the enphasis on the "fat" word.

[spiff]

so.. to bring things back to topic.

Akira, (or anyone else) who has a real miggy.
Why we don't you load up a couple of emulators and make shure we all run the same rom, like tetris on gameboy. Check the framrates.. they should be pretty stable. And post your real amiga config here..
Then the "rest of us" will try to emulate the same hardware, or at least as close as possible..and do the same.
Zophar has a couple of amiga emulators http://www.zophar.net/amiga/amiga.phtml

*edit*

So for a quick test I ran amimastergear on a emulated expanded a1200 (68020, AGA, z3 fast 32mb, JIT) And I maxed out around 399fps. Framerate drops to some 300 for short periods when the demo loops.. but there's probably some limit in the software as to why it wouldn't go higher.

amimastergear is pretty nice its free (since 2000?), a good gui, boots in WB with out any special settings, and runs wonderboy III dragonstrap

[Martin_L]

Amiga = works
Emu = meh, we'll see how i feel.