games dont want to work for me..why?

Generale · 30 March 2005, 15:07

Hi there.

Recently I've been d/l'ing games off the web. All ADFs.
I've been xferring them over to my a500 with amiga explorer.

Now the odd bit. Every game has glitches or fatal errors.
Gem'X corrupts in the gameplay demo screen. It gets graphics glitches for a few seconds then gurus.
Theme park has screen refresh issues. Looks like theres something wrong with the ground tiles actually.
Cannon fodder gets past the crack loader screen (yes its a cracked version), then inky blackness and aimless repetitive drive seeks.

Anyway, you get the idea. Is it a problem with copying, RAM, or what?

Oh, its an a500
ks1.3, wb1.3
512k chip, 512k slowfast.
Nothing too exciting.

T_hairy_bootson · 30 March 2005, 15:23

I suggest trying different versions of the same game. Or you could try them in WinUae and see if they do the same thing.

Generale · 30 March 2005, 15:34

True. I guess I could go hunting for other ADFs or DMSes.
The ones with the standard OFS open alright on my pc though. I can't tell with the proprietary FS used by most of them though.

As for UAE. Not an option really. I've altered E-UAE to compile on my computer in Linux. But it's got JIT hardwired on, which doesn't like games much. and it's only a p200, so yeah, painful at best. Hm, I might try Gem'X because it's only 1 disk. Rebooting...

RetroMan · 30 March 2005, 23:25

Another quick shot at this ....

Please try a slower Speed for amiga explorer and then test the files again

Generale · 31 March 2005, 00:44

I actually tried Gem'X last night in e-uae. It worked. So odds are the other ADFs are too.

Slower than 19200? okay. I'll give that a try. Cant do it right now though. Busy day.

Hm..are there any adf to floppy utils that work in 1.3? I could just put the ADF to hard disk (on the a500) and dump it onto floppy. There don't seem to be any problems with copying files to HDD, so it could be the overhead of using the floppy causing receive errors or something.
TCP/IP mode wouldn't help out, would it. I'm guessing its still just a straight serial copy and a TCP/IP interface is emulated PC-side, with an API for the stack to interface to on amiga side. Probably add overhead.

I will find the problem!!! eventually...

RetroMan · 31 March 2005, 00:52

Well, its been loooong time ago that I had this problem, nowadays I use Network Cards on nearly all my BigBox Amigas

I had the same troubles and step the speed down to 9600Baud I think did the trick for me

T_hairy_bootson · 31 March 2005, 04:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Generale

Hm..are there any adf to floppy utils that work in 1.3?

I find tracktool to be very reliable under WB1.3, it's in the zone.

Amiga1992 · 31 March 2005, 15:51

Try to transfer using TwinExpress. It's free and much better than that AExplorer piece of cack.

Generale · 02 April 2005, 01:09

alllrighty. Heaps of useful info here. hopefully sometime in the next couple of days I'll be able to use the a500 again to have a go.

I'll give twinexpress another go. Tried it ages ago. Didn't work for me. I probably didn't have the directio driver for nt installed at the time.

Definitely going to try tracktool too.

Hopefully I can get into the zone now. last time I tried I wasn't allowed to. But that's OT.

Unfortunately due to horribly limited space the a500 isnt set up, so that's why it takes me a little while to try things. Sorry about that. And all the goings on with my little girls first bday have kind of stopped me from posting.

Amiga1992 · 02 April 2005, 02:18

You can use Twinexpress under Amiga emulation in WinUAE and connect to your Amiga no probs

Generale · 03 April 2005, 14:59

I tried tracktool. It worked great. Only problem is, I'm still seeing the exact same corruption (only tried with theme park so far). The odds of a program corrupting in the exact same way using two different transfer methods are slim.

I'll try another game to see if it has the same problem.

Generale · 03 April 2005, 15:24

Sorry about 2 posts in a row. I saw no reason to edit what I already have.
I just tried Gem'X. Works fine in E-UAE with JIT, so it should work on anything. I tried it again, this time copied to hard drive and then to floppy. Exact same error. This was the Guru if it means anything to anyone:

#00000004.00c05128

This has got me really confused. Could it be the ram expansion or a custom chip? I'm guessing I would have got a pretty screen on startup if I had bad chip ram though.

Oh yeah. Still told I can't access the zone. Got tracktool elsewhere.

Asterix · 03 April 2005, 19:52

for Access to The Zone read this

Generale · 04 April 2005, 16:20

Thanks for that. I can't believe I overlooked the group add thing.

I still have absolutely no idea what the problem is still. It's some sort of hardware bug. That I'm starting to believe.
It's not the floppy. Of that I'm sure, because a virtual disk and real disk do the same. It's not the transfer of the game. Tried a few times, exact same errors, even when using different methods to copy to floppy. I'm really lost.

30 March 2005, 15:07	#1
Generale Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Land of Oz Age: 43 Posts: 16	games dont want to work for me..why? Hi there. Recently I've been d/l'ing games off the web. All ADFs. I've been xferring them over to my a500 with amiga explorer. Now the odd bit. Every game has glitches or fatal errors. Gem'X corrupts in the gameplay demo screen. It gets graphics glitches for a few seconds then gurus. Theme park has screen refresh issues. Looks like theres something wrong with the ground tiles actually. Cannon fodder gets past the crack loader screen (yes its a cracked version), then inky blackness and aimless repetitive drive seeks. Anyway, you get the idea. Is it a problem with copying, RAM, or what? Oh, its an a500 ks1.3, wb1.3 512k chip, 512k slowfast. Nothing too exciting.

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30 March 2005, 15:23	#2
T_hairy_bootson Workbitch 1.3 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 47 Posts: 2,084	I suggest trying different versions of the same game. Or you could try them in WinUae and see if they do the same thing.

30 March 2005, 15:34	#3
Generale Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Land of Oz Age: 43 Posts: 16	True. I guess I could go hunting for other ADFs or DMSes. The ones with the standard OFS open alright on my pc though. I can't tell with the proprietary FS used by most of them though. As for UAE. Not an option really. I've altered E-UAE to compile on my computer in Linux. But it's got JIT hardwired on, which doesn't like games much. and it's only a p200, so yeah, painful at best. Hm, I might try Gem'X because it's only 1 disk. Rebooting...

30 March 2005, 23:25	#4
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 51 Posts: 3,704	Another quick shot at this .... Please try a slower Speed for amiga explorer and then test the files again

31 March 2005, 00:44	#5
Generale Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Land of Oz Age: 43 Posts: 16	I actually tried Gem'X last night in e-uae. It worked. So odds are the other ADFs are too. Slower than 19200? okay. I'll give that a try. Cant do it right now though. Busy day. Hm..are there any adf to floppy utils that work in 1.3? I could just put the ADF to hard disk (on the a500) and dump it onto floppy. There don't seem to be any problems with copying files to HDD, so it could be the overhead of using the floppy causing receive errors or something. TCP/IP mode wouldn't help out, would it. I'm guessing its still just a straight serial copy and a TCP/IP interface is emulated PC-side, with an API for the stack to interface to on amiga side. Probably add overhead. I will find the problem!!! eventually...

31 March 2005, 00:52	#6
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 51 Posts: 3,704	Well, its been loooong time ago that I had this problem, nowadays I use Network Cards on nearly all my BigBox Amigas I had the same troubles and step the speed down to 9600Baud I think did the trick for me

31 March 2005, 15:51	#8
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Try to transfer using TwinExpress. It's free and much better than that AExplorer piece of cack.

02 April 2005, 01:09	#9
Generale Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Land of Oz Age: 43 Posts: 16	alllrighty. Heaps of useful info here. hopefully sometime in the next couple of days I'll be able to use the a500 again to have a go. I'll give twinexpress another go. Tried it ages ago. Didn't work for me. I probably didn't have the directio driver for nt installed at the time. Definitely going to try tracktool too. Hopefully I can get into the zone now. last time I tried I wasn't allowed to. But that's OT. Unfortunately due to horribly limited space the a500 isnt set up, so that's why it takes me a little while to try things. Sorry about that. And all the goings on with my little girls first bday have kind of stopped me from posting.

02 April 2005, 02:18	#10
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	You can use Twinexpress under Amiga emulation in WinUAE and connect to your Amiga no probs

03 April 2005, 14:59	#11
Generale Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Land of Oz Age: 43 Posts: 16	I tried tracktool. It worked great. Only problem is, I'm still seeing the exact same corruption (only tried with theme park so far). The odds of a program corrupting in the exact same way using two different transfer methods are slim. I'll try another game to see if it has the same problem.

03 April 2005, 15:24	#12
Generale Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Land of Oz Age: 43 Posts: 16	Sorry about 2 posts in a row. I saw no reason to edit what I already have. I just tried Gem'X. Works fine in E-UAE with JIT, so it should work on anything. I tried it again, this time copied to hard drive and then to floppy. Exact same error. This was the Guru if it means anything to anyone: #00000004.00c05128 This has got me really confused. Could it be the ram expansion or a custom chip? I'm guessing I would have got a pretty screen on startup if I had bad chip ram though. Oh yeah. Still told I can't access the zone. Got tracktool elsewhere.

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03 April 2005, 19:52	#13
Asterix Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Germany Age: 51 Posts: 32	for Access to The Zone read this

04 April 2005, 16:20	#14
Generale Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Land of Oz Age: 43 Posts: 16	Thanks for that. I can't believe I overlooked the group add thing. I still have absolutely no idea what the problem is still. It's some sort of hardware bug. That I'm starting to believe. It's not the floppy. Of that I'm sure, because a virtual disk and real disk do the same. It's not the transfer of the game. Tried a few times, exact same errors, even when using different methods to copy to floppy. I'm really lost.