Mac titles for CD32 via Shapeshifter? - Page 2

Retro1234 · 29 July 2019, 00:24

In The Zone I've put a simple WinUae HDF of ShapeShifter including PrepareEmul A1200 in the Startup-Sequence.

maybe someone else could just confirm cough...DamienD that it's just stuck on yellow screen.

Toni Wilen · 29 July 2019, 11:15

Some patch code runs after reset but it seems to jump at incorrect ROM address which causes the crash (yellow screen) or HALT3 (rom code does relative jump to nowhere because base address register is zero).

I have no idea what goes wrong.

Retro1234 · 29 July 2019, 11:20

It works on my A1200 - it must of worked at some point with WinUae.

Toni Wilen · 29 July 2019, 20:12

I have been analyzing prepareemul and conclusion is: it is broken hack. Better use something else.

If A1200 option is set, it only works if system is chip ram only, or has non-autoconfig fast ram ("slow" ram, $08000000 accelerator board ram).

If A1200 option is not set, it probably only works if system is chip ram only or has autoconfig fast ram (no slow ram allowed!)..

Retro1234 · 29 July 2019, 20:22

For this project it's probably better to just skip prepareemul anyway and just use the MMU alternative.

lots of people have had problems with prepareemul but it's been around a long time and works on real Amiga, I used Amiga 1200, 32mb fast and it worked PrepareEmul A1200.

but it's not really worth bothering with

but thanks for looking.

nogginthenog · 29 July 2019, 21:23

If you have a MMU look into using the MMU graphics driver for ShapeShifter.

On my A4000 (060 so YMMV) 256 colour modes were very usable (faster than AmigaOS) as it only updates screen areas that have changed.

Retro1234 · 29 July 2019, 21:31

Just tried old WinUae 0.9.92 and PrepareEmul A1200 works/CPU=68020/Adjust between CPU and chipset.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nogginthenog

If you have a MMU look into using the MMU graphics driver for ShapeShifter.

On my A4000 (060 so YMMV) 256 colour modes were very usable (faster than AmigaOS) as it only updates screen areas that have changed.

Do you use PreapreEmu or MuMove4K?

mark_k · 29 July 2019, 21:54

Is there any difference in how/if PrepareEmul works on a real A1200 with 3.0 vs 3.1 Kickstart ROM?

Toni Wilen · 29 July 2019, 22:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro1234

Just tried old WinUae 0.9.92 and PrepareEmul A1200 works/CPU=68020/Adjust between CPU and chipset.

Not very useful without confirming if RAM config was same...

Retro1234 · 29 July 2019, 22:13

@mark_k ill try it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro1234

Just tried old WinUae 0.9.92 and PrepareEmul A1200 works/CPU=68020/Adjust between CPU and chipset.

Not very useful without confirming if RAM config was same...

Just Quickstart A1200/3.1/8mb fast
edit:I did change cpu to 68020/Adjust between CPU and chipset.

wairnair · 30 July 2019, 08:31

quoting from here http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=79142:
"also cosmo's exec.library has build-in prepareemul form shapeshifter and from fusion"

Maybe this could replace MuMove4k/PrepareEmul?

I found cosmo's version of exec.library here http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=781775#post781775, but I don't know how to use it. (put LoadModule line before SetPatch?)

Toni Wilen · 30 July 2019, 11:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro1234

Just Quickstart A1200/3.1/8mb fast
edit:I did change cpu to 68020/Adjust between CPU and chipset.

Reason is simple: older UAE versions didn't unmap autoconfig boards completely at reset.

If execbase is located in autoconfig ram: coldcapture (very early reset proof routine) becomes "almost warmcapture" and executes too late for prepareemul.

Autoconfig boards are supposed to disappear at reset but most likely some real A1200 boards ignore part of autoconfig because they can assume they are the only board in the system which can explain why prepareemul sometimes work.

Retro1234 · 30 July 2019, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by wairnair

quoting from here http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=79142:
"also cosmo's exec.library has build-in prepareemul form shapeshifter and from fusion"

Maybe this could replace MuMove4k/PrepareEmul?

I found cosmo's version of exec.library here http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=781775#post781775, but I don't know how to use it. (put LoadModule line before SetPatch?)

Does MuMove4k work on your CD32?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cammy

There's really not much configuration necessary if you have all the files correctly. So make sure you have this in your Startup-Sequence...

C:MuMove4k PrepareEmul
C:MuFastZero On

And remove C:PrepareEmul, as MuMove4K replaces it.

And from within Shapeshifter, choose a 256 colour 640x480 Amiga screenmode. Select MuEVD as your Video Driver, and boot into MacOS. Once in MacOS, open the Screen settings and select Color.

Hopefully that's all you need to get it working!

Or
C:MuMove4k PrepareEmul A1200
C:MuFastZero On

wairnair · 30 July 2019, 16:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro1234

Does MuMove4k work on your CD32?

No, nothing works on the real CD32.

I tried PrepareEmul (the command), MuMove4k with prepareemul option, MuMove4k with prepareemul + A1200 options.
Also tried MuMove4k with prepareemul + A1200 + NOREBOOT, that boots into WB but it doesn't work (Shapeshifter says run PrepareEmul).

Also tried C:MuFastZero On, makes no difference.

That's why I turned to cosmo's exec.library, but I don't know how to enable it.

Retro1234 · 30 July 2019, 16:40

Maybe http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/LoadModule

Loadmodule exec.library

I am interested in this but unfortunately I don't have a CD32 or TF330 but I would think someone else has tried to get it working on a TF330, maybe have to ask within those circles, sorry

Toni Wilen · 30 July 2019, 16:49

Could you attach your real CD32 WB disk tools/showconfig output?

wairnair · 30 July 2019, 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Could you attach your real CD32 WB disk tools/showconfig output?

Sure. Sorry, it's a pic.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=10i...t3u5JVoasaNh7g

Toni Wilen · 30 July 2019, 19:33

Thanks, it has Z3 autoconfig Fast RAM, if it works like autoconfig RAM (=disappears completely when reset, reappers when expansion.library initializes it), PrepareEmul will crash.

Retro1234 · 30 July 2019, 19:48

If I want to test alternatives like MuMove4k what should I do to setup WinUae to be as close as possible to wairnair's setup?

Toni Wilen · 30 July 2019, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro1234

If I want to test alternatives like MuMove4k what should I do to setup WinUae to be as close as possible to wairnair's setup?

Start with CD32 Quickstart config, then do at least following adjustments:
- CPU 68030, MMU emulation enabled.
- Disable cycle-exact and more compatible. Data cache emulation can be also off (keeps emulation faster, there should not be any compatibility differences in this situation)
- Add Z3 Fast RAM, mapping should not be "UAE". Check that Hardware information panel shows start address 40000000.
- Have RDB HDF and mount it using IDE emulation. (Probably not needed but UAE HDF might use less memory than Amiga-side IDE driver which can make a difference)

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29 July 2019, 00:24	#21
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	In The Zone I've put a simple WinUae HDF of ShapeShifter including PrepareEmul A1200 in the Startup-Sequence. maybe someone else could just confirm cough...DamienD that it's just stuck on yellow screen.

29 July 2019, 11:15	#22
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Some patch code runs after reset but it seems to jump at incorrect ROM address which causes the crash (yellow screen) or HALT3 (rom code does relative jump to nowhere because base address register is zero). I have no idea what goes wrong.

29 July 2019, 11:20	#23
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	It works on my A1200 - it must of worked at some point with WinUae.

29 July 2019, 20:12	#24
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	I have been analyzing prepareemul and conclusion is: it is broken hack. Better use something else. If A1200 option is set, it only works if system is chip ram only, or has non-autoconfig fast ram ("slow" ram, $08000000 accelerator board ram). If A1200 option is not set, it probably only works if system is chip ram only or has autoconfig fast ram (no slow ram allowed!)..

29 July 2019, 20:22	#25
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	For this project it's probably better to just skip prepareemul anyway and just use the MMU alternative. lots of people have had problems with prepareemul but it's been around a long time and works on real Amiga, I used Amiga 1200, 32mb fast and it worked PrepareEmul A1200. but it's not really worth bothering with but thanks for looking.

29 July 2019, 21:23	#26
nogginthenog Amigan Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: London Posts: 1,309	If you have a MMU look into using the MMU graphics driver for ShapeShifter. On my A4000 (060 so YMMV) 256 colour modes were very usable (faster than AmigaOS) as it only updates screen areas that have changed.

29 July 2019, 21:54	#28
mark_k Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Posts: 3,335	Is there any difference in how/if PrepareEmul works on a real A1200 with 3.0 vs 3.1 Kickstart ROM?

30 July 2019, 08:31	#31
wairnair Registered User Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Budapest Posts: 355	quoting from here http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=79142: "also cosmo's exec.library has build-in prepareemul form shapeshifter and from fusion" Maybe this could replace MuMove4k/PrepareEmul? I found cosmo's version of exec.library here http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=781775#post781775, but I don't know how to use it. (put LoadModule line before SetPatch?)

30 July 2019, 16:40	#35
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Maybe http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/LoadModule Loadmodule exec.library I am interested in this but unfortunately I don't have a CD32 or TF330 but I would think someone else has tried to get it working on a TF330, maybe have to ask within those circles, sorry

30 July 2019, 16:49	#36
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Could you attach your real CD32 WB disk tools/showconfig output?

30 July 2019, 19:33	#38
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Thanks, it has Z3 autoconfig Fast RAM, if it works like autoconfig RAM (=disappears completely when reset, reappers when expansion.library initializes it), PrepareEmul will crash.

30 July 2019, 19:48	#39
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	If I want to test alternatives like MuMove4k what should I do to setup WinUae to be as close as possible to wairnair's setup?

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