Shadow Warriors WHDLoad Help

vulture · 15 February 2015, 15:37

Ok guys, so, my problem is simple:

I've tried every single Shadow Warriors WHDLoad version I could find and they all crash just before the final boss of the game with a disk seek error. I've even tried my own original disks to make the install, the same happens. Am I missing something obvious? Has anyone finished it on WHDLoad? If so, what version?

Thx!

StingRay · 15 February 2015, 15:58

It's a known problem of the WHDLoad patch (bug in the imager), I know about it started to work on a fixed patch but it will need a while until that one is finished, patience please.

vulture · 15 February 2015, 16:09

Oh, thx Stingray! I hope it gets completed some day! Cheers!

dlfrsilver · 15 February 2015, 20:15

The real reason is there : There is 2 versions of this game, one is supported, and the other is not !

The supported one is the retail release. The justiciers 3 version (or any compilation version) is the one with the seek error.

StingRay · 15 February 2015, 21:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

The real reason is there : There is 2 versions of this game, one is supported, and the other is not !

The supported one is the retail release. The justiciers 3 version (or any compilation version) is the one with the seek error.

Not true!

dlfrsilver · 16 February 2015, 00:50

I have both of them SPS 0830 (Retail) and 1679 (Retail ALT1).

Each of them installs with the patcher with no errors : TRUE

What are exactly the differences between releases 830 and 1679 ?

Release 830 :

- Disk 1 is fully amigados : TRUE
- Disk 2 : track 0 is amigados but all the other tracks are MFM tracks with 5632 bytes of data (tracks 1 to 69)

Release 1679 :
- Disk 1 is fully amigados : TRUE, BUT ! Track 0.1 has a copylock !
- Disk 2 is the same physically as version 830 ! MFM tracks with 1 sector/5632 bytes of data each (tracks 1 to 69)

You do agree with me that when a game use a different disk format, from the version supported at start by the whdload
coder, the imager fails right ?

The patcher should crash on one version, because it has a copylock when the other doesn't. This also means the slave
has to be modified to support the version which has the copy protection on disk 1. The other funny thing is that the
seek error is not on disk 1, but on disk 2 if my memory doesn't fail.

The very only difference in the disk format is the disk 1. Disk 2 from both release are 99,9% identical.

Since you're a coding legend, and well respected for that, from all the informations i have wrote here, can you please
tell me where i'm wrong ?

Galahad/FLT · 16 February 2015, 01:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

I have both of them SPS 0830 (Retail) and 1679 (Retail ALT1).

Each of them installs with the patcher with no errors : TRUE

What are exactly the differences between releases 830 and 1679 ?

Release 830 :

- Disk 1 is fully amigados : TRUE
- Disk 2 : track 0 is amigados but all the other tracks are MFM tracks with 5632 bytes of data (tracks 1 to 69)

Release 1679 :
- Disk 1 is fully amigados : TRUE, BUT ! Track 0.1 has a copylock !
- Disk 2 is the same physically as version 830 ! MFM tracks with 1 sector/5632 bytes of data each (tracks 1 to 69)

You do agree with me that when a game use a different disk format, from the version supported at start by the whdload
coder, the imager fails right ?

The patcher should crash on one version, because it has a copylock when the other doesn't. This also means the slave
has to be modified to support the version which has the copy protection on disk 1. The other funny thing is that the
seek error is not on disk 1, but on disk 2 if my memory doesn't fail.

The very only difference in the disk format is the disk 1. Disk 2 from both release are 99,9% identical.

Since you're a coding legend, and well respected for that, from all the informations i have wrote here, can you please
tell me where i'm wrong ?

A seek error has nothing to do with Copylock. A seek error is where WHDLoad requests to read data that is beyond the end of the disk image, or the combined start position and length of data exceeds the end of the disk image.

dlfrsilver · 16 February 2015, 01:34

OK phil, then since both disk.2 are the same, why one is correctly imaged and not the other ?

not minding the copy protection present on one version and not the other ?

vulture · 16 February 2015, 08:04

@dlfrsilver

So, are you saying that you've encountered a whdload version of SW which can be completed? For what is worth, my own version is the retail one and I get no error during installation, but only after I play the game at the very point I've mentioned. From what Stingray said, I got that there's no error produced during the installation/imaging of disks, but due to that (silent) bug, the game is uncompletable as it is.

dlfrsilver · 16 February 2015, 10:34

Yes i have both version. So i'm going to install my disks, and post in the zone the working version

Version SPS 830 is supported

Version SPS 1679 is not supported (Patcher gives an error on disk 1 due to the copylock)

Shadow Warriors (your version, as well as mine, is the one with the "seek error").

I have checked the disk format of the seek error version disk 2, it's the same as the other versions.....

So i don't know where is the problem....

Check the zone for version 830.

EDIT : All 3 versions have the same disk 2 confirmed. The difference stands in the disk 1, where loading offsets change.
The game on the "Seek error" version tries to load an empty track (must be skipped inside the slave).

Codetapper · 17 February 2015, 13:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

It's a known problem of the WHDLoad patch (bug in the imager)

Utter rubbish - there is no "bug in the imager".

The existing imager supports SPS 830, does not support the copylocked SPS 1679, but does support the 3rd version Denis speaks of. All 3 versions have an identical disk 2. Real data on tracks 2-139, 140 onwards are garbage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vulture

Ok guys, so, my problem is simple:

I've tried every single Shadow Warriors WHDLoad version I could find and they all crash just before the final boss of the game with a disk seek error. I've even tried my own original disks to make the install, the same happens. Am I missing something obvious? Has anyone finished it on WHDLoad? If so, what version?

Thx!

Rather than re-invent the wheel, I have modified Dark Angel's install, added a splash screen with the trainer options on it (activate the built-in cheat which allows 'Q' for invulnerability and 'Help' to skip levels), added a timer trainer, modified the code to skip reading track 140 on disk 2, fixed another access fault that can occur on the final boss, and here it is.

Note that the seek bug only occurs if you play through the entire level 6. If you cheat and hit Help to skip it, then it does not occur.

Try this beta version. Despite the misinformation from Stingray, you do NOT need to reinstall your disks as the imager will produce exactly the same disk images as Dark Angel's version did!

vulture · 17 February 2015, 19:31

@codetapper

So, just to be clear, with this version you've posted I can get through the entire level 6 without cheating and get no seek error? Thx

Codetapper · 17 February 2015, 19:57

Yes - but you can cheat if you want to, just don't hit 'Help' to skip the final level as you will miss the game loading the final boss. Use the SPS 830 disk images as that seems the most complete supported version.

vulture · 17 February 2015, 20:13

No, I was just about to complete the game properly when the error msg came up. I'll give it a spin, many thx!

15 February 2015, 15:37	#1
vulture Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 1,860	Shadow Warriors WHDLoad Help Ok guys, so, my problem is simple: I've tried every single Shadow Warriors WHDLoad version I could find and they all crash just before the final boss of the game with a disk seek error. I've even tried my own original disks to make the install, the same happens. Am I missing something obvious? Has anyone finished it on WHDLoad? If so, what version? Thx!

16 February 2015, 10:34	#10
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 47 Posts: 10,515	Yes i have both version. So i'm going to install my disks, and post in the zone the working version Version SPS 830 is supported Version SPS 1679 is not supported (Patcher gives an error on disk 1 due to the copylock) Shadow Warriors (your version, as well as mine, is the one with the "seek error"). I have checked the disk format of the seek error version disk 2, it's the same as the other versions..... So i don't know where is the problem.... Check the zone for version 830. EDIT : All 3 versions have the same disk 2 confirmed. The difference stands in the disk 1, where loading offsets change. The game on the "Seek error" version tries to load an empty track (must be skipped inside the slave). Last edited by dlfrsilver; 17 February 2015 at 12:04.

17 February 2015, 19:57	#13
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,187	Yes - but you can cheat if you want to, just don't hit 'Help' to skip the final level as you will miss the game loading the final boss. Use the SPS 830 disk images as that seems the most complete supported version. Last edited by Codetapper; 18 February 2015 at 01:56. Reason: Typo!

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15 February 2015, 15:58	#2
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,865	It's a known problem of the WHDLoad patch (bug in the imager), I know about it started to work on a fixed patch but it will need a while until that one is finished, patience please.

15 February 2015, 16:09	#3
vulture Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 1,860	Oh, thx Stingray! I hope it gets completed some day! Cheers!

15 February 2015, 20:15	#4
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 47 Posts: 10,515	The real reason is there : There is 2 versions of this game, one is supported, and the other is not ! The supported one is the retail release. The justiciers 3 version (or any compilation version) is the one with the seek error.

16 February 2015, 00:50	#6
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 47 Posts: 10,515	I have both of them SPS 0830 (Retail) and 1679 (Retail ALT1). Each of them installs with the patcher with no errors : TRUE What are exactly the differences between releases 830 and 1679 ? Release 830 : - Disk 1 is fully amigados : TRUE - Disk 2 : track 0 is amigados but all the other tracks are MFM tracks with 5632 bytes of data (tracks 1 to 69) Release 1679 : - Disk 1 is fully amigados : TRUE, BUT ! Track 0.1 has a copylock ! - Disk 2 is the same physically as version 830 ! MFM tracks with 1 sector/5632 bytes of data each (tracks 1 to 69) You do agree with me that when a game use a different disk format, from the version supported at start by the whdload coder, the imager fails right ? The patcher should crash on one version, because it has a copylock when the other doesn't. This also means the slave has to be modified to support the version which has the copy protection on disk 1. The other funny thing is that the seek error is not on disk 1, but on disk 2 if my memory doesn't fail. The very only difference in the disk format is the disk 1. Disk 2 from both release are 99,9% identical. Since you're a coding legend, and well respected for that, from all the informations i have wrote here, can you please tell me where i'm wrong ?

16 February 2015, 01:34	#8
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 47 Posts: 10,515	OK phil, then since both disk.2 are the same, why one is correctly imaged and not the other ? not minding the copy protection present on one version and not the other ?

16 February 2015, 08:04	#9
vulture Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 1,860	@dlfrsilver So, are you saying that you've encountered a whdload version of SW which can be completed? For what is worth, my own version is the retail one and I get no error during installation, but only after I play the game at the very point I've mentioned. From what Stingray said, I got that there's no error produced during the installation/imaging of disks, but due to that (silent) bug, the game is uncompletable as it is.

17 February 2015, 19:31	#12
vulture Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 1,860	@codetapper So, just to be clear, with this version you've posted I can get through the entire level 6 without cheating and get no seek error? Thx

17 February 2015, 20:13	#14
vulture Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 1,860	No, I was just about to complete the game properly when the error msg came up. I'll give it a spin, many thx!

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