Why the fuss about IPF images? - Page 7

DamienD · 03 July 2018, 00:40

For all you "Atari ST" fanboys out there...

BarryB has kindly uploaded a total of 304 .IPFs to the EAB File Server

These have now been moved to the following location: /Atari/ST/IPFs

BarryB · 03 July 2018, 00:44

None of those are my submissions, I've had them since early 2016, downloaded them off some forum before they got removed, never seen any other ST IPF's since!!

Ian · 03 July 2018, 00:45

Pfft, no new images.

Art is what I uploaded to the Zone the other day. Guess you are the guy that leaked this stuff in the first place

Avanze · 03 July 2018, 01:33

DamienD, on a side note, is there a folder for CTR only images too?

DamienD · 03 July 2018, 01:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avanze

DamienD, on a side note, is there a folder for CTR only images too?

I have no idea what "CTR only images" are... please explain further

A Google search produces this, which I'm sure you don't mean: Click-through rate

Avanze · 03 July 2018, 04:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

I have no idea what "CTR only images" are... please explain further

KryoFlux images, I believe.

DamienD · 03 July 2018, 05:14

Not that I'm aware of.

BarryB · 03 July 2018, 10:08

CT Raw images are just Kroflux streams packed into a single file, they are not analysed or processed in any way, like IPF's are, so some protections might fail under emulation!

fiath · 03 July 2018, 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikerochip

I know you're in France and such, but is there any way you can help me get my original games back??

I only loaned them to the project on the condition I'd get the back after the dumps were done.

I've been ignored now for more than a few years asking for their return. (They're in the UK)

Hi Mikerochip,

Dlfrsilver pointed me in your direction (thanks!). That would almost certainly have been me.

This was obviously a very long time ago and I don't remember getting ST games as a loan, but I'm sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick. I also don't remember you contacting us to try to get them back? I'm not very active this days, and there was a long period where I basically burnt out and wasn't checking/responding to emails properly, so it's possible it was missed. Or my memory is just failing me, which is completely possible. In either case, apologies!

Anyway, better late than never - of course you can have your games back.

Could you please private message me with your name an address and I will look for your games. Any details you can provide on what you submitted would be appreciated - as this was such a long time ago (do you know when it was?) I'm guessing it might be a challenge to find the details.

I'll note that the games I hold for SPS are in storage, and I routinely separate disks from boxes to ensure that the disks are stored in a more climate controlled way. It will probably take a little while to dig things out, but I'm sure we'll get there. Again, the more details you can give me, the easier this will be to sort out.

Note, if anyone else has problems like this, I've updated my email address on EAB so please send me a message (don't send a private message, as I'm unlikely to see it).

Mikerochip · 03 July 2018, 10:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiath

Hi Mikerochip,

Dlfrsilver pointed me in your direction (thanks!). That would almost certainly have been me.

This was obviously a very long time ago and I don't remember getting ST games as a loan, but I'm sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick. I also don't remember you contacting us to try to get them back? I'm not very active this days, and there was a long period where I basically burnt out and wasn't checking/responding to emails properly, so it's possible it was missed. Or my memory is just failing me, which is completely possible. In either case, apologies!

Anyway, better late than never - of course you can have your games back.

Could you please private message me with your name an address and I will look for your games. Any details you can provide on what you submitted would be appreciated - as this was such a long time ago (do you know when it was?) I'm guessing it might be a challenge to find the details.

I'll note that the games I hold for SPS are in storage, and I routinely separate disks from boxes to ensure that the disks are stored in a more climate controlled way. It will probably take a little while to dig things out, but I'm sure we'll get there. Again, the more details you can give me, the easier this will be to sort out.

Note, if anyone else has problems like this, I've updated my email address on EAB so please send me a message (don't send a private message, as I'm unlikely to see it).

Hi Fiath.

Yup, I have (an almost complete) list of what I sent, when and to whom I sent it, and not all, but many of the emails sent.

I also have the last SPS support ticket I raised on this. PM to follow.

DamienD · 03 July 2018, 11:02

@fiath; thank you for taking the time to respond.

I really hope that this can be resolved for poor Mikerochip

fiath · 03 July 2018, 19:08

Just to set the record straight after taking to Mikerochip, I realise this is completely my failure, and perhaps worse, I'd completely forgotten about it. I will try to get this sorted out asap.

DamienD · 03 July 2018, 20:10

That's great news, please do

DamienD · 04 July 2018, 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

For all you "Atari ST" fanboys out there...

BarryB has kindly uploaded a total of 304 .IPFs to the EAB File Server

These have now been moved to the following location: /Atari/ST/IPFs

Ian has just uploaded these 2 .IPFs (which have now been moved to /Atari/ST/IPFs):

... Clever and Smart (Europe).zip
... Stone Age (Europe) (Amiga + ST).zip

Turran · 06 July 2018, 16:28

Soooo a stupid question. What is an IPF image and how does it differ from a, say, ADF?

Holy crap I should learn to google.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Disk_File#IPF

DamienD · 06 July 2018, 16:33

Software Preservation Society

...and to use in emulators you need the plugin in your WinUAE directory: http://www.softpres.org/download

DamienD · 31 July 2018, 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiath

Just to set the record straight after taking to Mikerochip, I realise this is completely my failure, and perhaps worse, I'd completely forgotten about it. I will try to get this sorted out asap.

Hi faith,

I spoke with Mikerochip today to see how things are progressing.

He informs me that he hasn't heard anything back from you in roughly 3 weeks now; since around the 8th of July...

You don't need to answer in this thread if you don't want to, but please do PM Mikerochip / myself to let us know how you're getting on with locating / returning the 80 or so Atari ST originals that he loaned you guys many, many, many years ago now.

Appreciate it

fiath · 31 July 2018, 22:30

Hi Damien,

Yes, fair point, I didn't realise it had been so long since my last update. Mikerochip said he would rather I finish searching before I send things back, and since all the games are in storage, it's taken a long time to get through everything, but I'm nearly finished.

I'll send an update now.

DamienD · 31 July 2018, 22:40

Great, thank you kindly for replying publically and being in the process of giving Mikerochip / myself a further, detailed update privately faith

...we just need to get this saga over with for poor Mikerochip; that's all that really matters at the end of the day

Ian · 01 August 2018, 01:05

Does make me wonder how many others are without their games as you have so many in storage, I assume of course these aren't all your own games?

How many other Mikerochip's are out there I wonder....

Also, I understand you are no longer really involved in the image creation any more, but are there plans for someone to start getting back to folks that have submitted images for verification? dlfrsilver is doing a fine job helping people where he can, but he's just one guy.

Or is it a case of you guys are making money from Kyroflux now, so IPFs and preservation are no longer a major concern?

Sorry if this seems harsh, not my intention (Personally I would put pro bono work on hold if I was making money doing something else too), but I guess it's been a question I've had since people started highlighting they weren't getting responses from anyone to anything they submitted.

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03 July 2018, 00:40	#121
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	For all you "Atari ST" fanboys out there... BarryB has kindly uploaded a total of 304 .IPFs to the EAB File Server These have now been moved to the following location: /Atari/ST/IPFs

03 July 2018, 00:44	#122
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,676	None of those are my submissions, I've had them since early 2016, downloaded them off some forum before they got removed, never seen any other ST IPF's since!!

03 July 2018, 00:45	#123
Ian Global Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 46 Posts: 2,287	Pfft, no new images. Art is what I uploaded to the Zone the other day. Guess you are the guy that leaked this stuff in the first place

03 July 2018, 01:33	#124
Avanze Amiga User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pennsylvania Age: 47 Posts: 562	DamienD, on a side note, is there a folder for CTR only images too?

03 July 2018, 05:14	#127
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Not that I'm aware of.

03 July 2018, 10:08	#128
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,676	CT Raw images are just Kroflux streams packed into a single file, they are not analysed or processed in any way, like IPF's are, so some protections might fail under emulation!

03 July 2018, 11:02	#131
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	@fiath; thank you for taking the time to respond. I really hope that this can be resolved for poor Mikerochip

03 July 2018, 19:08	#132
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	Just to set the record straight after taking to Mikerochip, I realise this is completely my failure, and perhaps worse, I'd completely forgotten about it. I will try to get this sorted out asap.

03 July 2018, 20:10	#133
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	That's great news, please do

06 July 2018, 16:28	#135
Turran Moderator Join Date: May 2012 Location: Stockholm / Sweden Age: 49 Posts: 1,572	Soooo a stupid question. What is an IPF image and how does it differ from a, say, ADF? Holy crap I should learn to google. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Disk_File#IPF

06 July 2018, 16:33	#136
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Software Preservation Society ...and to use in emulators you need the plugin in your WinUAE directory: http://www.softpres.org/download

31 July 2018, 22:30	#138
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	Hi Damien, Yes, fair point, I didn't realise it had been so long since my last update. Mikerochip said he would rather I finish searching before I send things back, and since all the games are in storage, it's taken a long time to get through everything, but I'm nearly finished. I'll send an update now.

31 July 2018, 22:40	#139
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Great, thank you kindly for replying publically and being in the process of giving Mikerochip / myself a further, detailed update privately faith ...we just need to get this saga over with for poor Mikerochip; that's all that really matters at the end of the day

01 August 2018, 01:05	#140
Ian Global Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 46 Posts: 2,287	Does make me wonder how many others are without their games as you have so many in storage, I assume of course these aren't all your own games? How many other Mikerochip's are out there I wonder.... Also, I understand you are no longer really involved in the image creation any more, but are there plans for someone to start getting back to folks that have submitted images for verification? dlfrsilver is doing a fine job helping people where he can, but he's just one guy. Or is it a case of you guys are making money from Kyroflux now, so IPFs and preservation are no longer a major concern? Sorry if this seems harsh, not my intention (Personally I would put pro bono work on hold if I was making money doing something else too), but I guess it's been a question I've had since people started highlighting they weren't getting responses from anyone to anything they submitted.

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