WHDLoad compilation CDs on eBay

girv · 08 March 2005, 01:29

Narked of Northern Ireland writes:

I see CDs like this on eBay all the time - some guy has downloaded a bunch of JST & WHD installers, whipped up a quick index page and cheesy label, burned the lot to CD-R and is now charging for the privilege of using it. This narks me right off as he's profiting from work that I and, to a much greater extent, JOTD, Wepl and JST / WHD patch authors have done in our spare time for free.

Can I do anything to stop the sale of such items? Or should I just lighten up and worry about something important instead

?

dlfrsilver · 08 March 2005, 02:59

Hi John,

Just report to ebay this guy is selling programs he's not allowed to sell on ebay.
Tell them you are one of the guys who create these installers.
Others Whdload programmers should join with you to charge this guy and then Ebay should remove and obliterate this "illegal and inadequate" auction.

cheers !!

Amiga1992 · 08 March 2005, 05:13

I reported it, saw it bfore reading the thread! I hope the auciton gets cancelled, the more reports it eceives, teh greater chancs of this happening.

TheBoss · 08 March 2005, 08:33

Very dissapointed in how some Amiga fans behave!

Methanoid · 08 March 2005, 09:32

Actually what is MOST disappointing is how slow and lackadaisical Ebay is in responding to this sort of stuff. It happens ALL the time..... How easy did you find to get the link to report it? 10 minutes? 15 minutes?

Why not have a "Report this listing as violating Ebay policies" link on each listing?

Seen many where people say "Add 3.4% for PayPal"? Not allowed under Ebay T&C but happens all the time!

Amiga1992 · 08 March 2005, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Methanoid

Actually what is MOST disappointing is how slow and lackadaisical Ebay is in responding to this sort of stuff. It happens ALL the time..... How easy did you find to get the link to report it? 10 minutes? 15 minutes?

Why not have a "Report this listing as violating Ebay policies" link on each listing?

Indeed man. The report process is a pain in the arse, definitely NOT straightforward. It seems like they don't give a fuck unless you are a part of the VERO program.

The CD32-200 discs I reported probably got sold and all before they were taken down. They cancelled the least "un-legit" of the 3 auctions immediately but left the completely pirate shits alive. WTF?

Methanoid · 08 March 2005, 15:07

What it needs is some (c) owner to name Ebay in an action for failing to make sufficient effort to remove pirate items.

I'm not claiming to be anti-piracy per se but the idea of flogging other peoples work is quite insulting to them. If there is ANY money to be made from old games (and I doubt it) then it must go to those who wrote them (and similar with WHDLoad patches).

Amiga1992 · 08 March 2005, 16:12

I think exactly like you in this subject.

Firthy2002 · 08 March 2005, 17:16

It's disgraceful.

sarek2k · 08 March 2005, 17:20

Ebay pisses me off big time if it's any corporate piracy (ie anything by M$ or Hollywood) they jump straight on it when it's the little guys getting ripped off they don't give a toss! not to mention all the dodgy HK goods that are sold that are quite clearly fakes if u get them at all!

BippyM · 08 March 2005, 17:55

Guess i'll have to chuck my demodvd on there :P

icewizard2k5 · 09 March 2005, 00:07

"Will work with virtually your whole game collection"

yeh ok...

as for the cheek of doing the cd.. yeh this guys an arse.
but you also gotta think for a minute, all the installers are accessible for FREE download on the net. you need the net to access ebay. so you if purchased the cd youre a dumb fuck.

whdload rules register today!

Peanutuk · 09 March 2005, 00:39

If you are a VERO member you get an email address and a phone number direct to a human who deals with the issue within hours. If you enter your query into the web based submission process your email gets added to which ever worldwide ebay division, in your language, has the shortest backlog. Most of the time a backlog is a at least 5 days, by that time, as the above have mentioned, most auctions have ended.

Maybe a potential project for an amiga enthusiast is to contact individual programmers or copyright owners in order to register their claims to the programs that are being abused? You could then quickly and legitimately act on their behalf to stop pirates making a profit out of their crimes. After all, for all the usefulness of pirates and 'crackers' without the original programmers there wouldn' t be anything to crack; they are the people to be celebrated and defended.

EmuChicken · 09 March 2005, 16:22

Totally takes teh piss.. Soon as I saw that ebay page me = disgusted...

If its illegal pirate MS products I wouldnt give a flying !u&* ... Its just the amount of effort by a handfull of people is going out the window to some stupid guy cashing in , it takes the pish - lock him up!

girv · 09 March 2005, 16:44

A new auction has appeared here.

I've contacted eBay. Breath is not being held

Big-Byte · 09 March 2005, 17:32

If you look at the other items the guy is selling then there is a fair chance that the guy doesnt anything about the Amiga - to him its probably just another DVD.

Im seen stalls at many computer fairs with exactly the same 'products' - a mixture of budget titles / educational titles and dubious titles (phone unlocker software / free internet tv etc..) as what he is selling so I think there is probably some wholesaler somewhere who is selling mixed lots of these titles to people who dont have a clue!

girv · 09 March 2005, 17:47

Got a reply from the guy:

Quote:

Please tell me more as I am buying them from a company called Butterfly Media who assured me that all publisher rights had been cared for, and if they were not I would not sell the software, so please supply me with all your details and I will approach Butterfly Media. Regards

The plot thickens...

EmuChicken · 09 March 2005, 18:02

You mean the manufacturers of the DVDs? What an idiot!

http://www.butterflymedia.com/webfiles/p_dvdr.asp

oh wait, heres another looks more like it
http://www.butterfly-media.co.uk/PRODUCTS.htm

alexh · 09 March 2005, 18:26

If you didnt already know this is a pheonix of the UK Amiga retailer (and quite famous) Epic.

http://www.amigastuff.co.uk/index.htm

Beware: Everything they sell is CD-R / DVD-R even old CD32 titles.

Peanutuk · 09 March 2005, 18:43

This ebay seller seems to be getting rather annoyed with people like yourselves

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...176394240&rd=1

08 March 2005, 01:29	#1
girv Mostly Harmless Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,149	WHDLoad compilation CDs on eBay Narked of Northern Ireland writes: I see CDs like this on eBay all the time - some guy has downloaded a bunch of JST & WHD installers, whipped up a quick index page and cheesy label, burned the lot to CD-R and is now charging for the privilege of using it. This narks me right off as he's profiting from work that I and, to a much greater extent, JOTD, Wepl and JST / WHD patch authors have done in our spare time for free. Can I do anything to stop the sale of such items? Or should I just lighten up and worry about something important instead ?

09 March 2005, 16:44	#15
girv Mostly Harmless Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,149	he's done it again A new auction has appeared here. I've contacted eBay. Breath is not being held

09 March 2005, 18:02	#18
EmuChicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nagoya, Japan (moved!) Age: 41 Posts: 746	You mean the manufacturers of the DVDs? What an idiot! http://www.butterflymedia.com/webfiles/p_dvdr.asp oh wait, heres another looks more like it http://www.butterfly-media.co.uk/PRODUCTS.htm Last edited by EmuChicken; 09 March 2005 at 18:04. Reason: anothr

09 March 2005, 18:26	#19
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,478	If you didnt already know this is a pheonix of the UK Amiga retailer (and quite famous) Epic. http://www.amigastuff.co.uk/index.htm Beware: Everything they sell is CD-R / DVD-R even old CD32 titles. Last edited by alexh; 09 March 2005 at 18:31.

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08 March 2005, 02:59	#2
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 47 Posts: 10,516	Hi John, Just report to ebay this guy is selling programs he's not allowed to sell on ebay. Tell them you are one of the guys who create these installers. Others Whdload programmers should join with you to charge this guy and then Ebay should remove and obliterate this "illegal and inadequate" auction. cheers !!

08 March 2005, 05:13	#3
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,658	I reported it, saw it bfore reading the thread! I hope the auciton gets cancelled, the more reports it eceives, teh greater chancs of this happening.

08 March 2005, 08:33	#4
TheBoss Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 840	Very dissapointed in how some Amiga fans behave!

08 March 2005, 09:32	#5
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,874	Actually what is MOST disappointing is how slow and lackadaisical Ebay is in responding to this sort of stuff. It happens ALL the time..... How easy did you find to get the link to report it? 10 minutes? 15 minutes? Why not have a "Report this listing as violating Ebay policies" link on each listing? Seen many where people say "Add 3.4% for PayPal"? Not allowed under Ebay T&C but happens all the time!

08 March 2005, 15:07	#7
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,874	What it needs is some (c) owner to name Ebay in an action for failing to make sufficient effort to remove pirate items. I'm not claiming to be anti-piracy per se but the idea of flogging other peoples work is quite insulting to them. If there is ANY money to be made from old games (and I doubt it) then it must go to those who wrote them (and similar with WHDLoad patches).

08 March 2005, 16:12	#8
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,658	I think exactly like you in this subject.

08 March 2005, 17:16	#9
Firthy2002 2nd era... Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Leeds, England Age: 40 Posts: 288	It's disgraceful.

08 March 2005, 17:20	#10
sarek2k E.A.B Addict and Proud Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Age: 56 Posts: 543	Ebay pisses me off big time if it's any corporate piracy (ie anything by M$ or Hollywood) they jump straight on it when it's the little guys getting ripped off they don't give a toss! not to mention all the dodgy HK goods that are sold that are quite clearly fakes if u get them at all!

08 March 2005, 17:55	#11
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	Guess i'll have to chuck my demodvd on there :P

09 March 2005, 00:07	#12
icewizard2k5 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia Age: 38 Posts: 200	"Will work with virtually your whole game collection" yeh ok... as for the cheek of doing the cd.. yeh this guys an arse. but you also gotta think for a minute, all the installers are accessible for FREE download on the net. you need the net to access ebay. so you if purchased the cd youre a dumb fuck. whdload rules register today!

09 March 2005, 00:39	#13
Peanutuk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The North, UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,082	If you are a VERO member you get an email address and a phone number direct to a human who deals with the issue within hours. If you enter your query into the web based submission process your email gets added to which ever worldwide ebay division, in your language, has the shortest backlog. Most of the time a backlog is a at least 5 days, by that time, as the above have mentioned, most auctions have ended. Maybe a potential project for an amiga enthusiast is to contact individual programmers or copyright owners in order to register their claims to the programs that are being abused? You could then quickly and legitimately act on their behalf to stop pirates making a profit out of their crimes. After all, for all the usefulness of pirates and 'crackers' without the original programmers there wouldn' t be anything to crack; they are the people to be celebrated and defended.

09 March 2005, 16:22	#14
EmuChicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nagoya, Japan (moved!) Age: 41 Posts: 746	Totally takes teh piss.. Soon as I saw that ebay page me = disgusted... If its illegal pirate MS products I wouldnt give a flying !u&* ... Its just the amount of effort by a handfull of people is going out the window to some stupid guy cashing in , it takes the pish - lock him up!

09 March 2005, 17:32	#16
Big-Byte Long time member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: UK Posts: 754	If you look at the other items the guy is selling then there is a fair chance that the guy doesnt anything about the Amiga - to him its probably just another DVD. Im seen stalls at many computer fairs with exactly the same 'products' - a mixture of budget titles / educational titles and dubious titles (phone unlocker software / free internet tv etc..) as what he is selling so I think there is probably some wholesaler somewhere who is selling mixed lots of these titles to people who dont have a clue!

09 March 2005, 18:43	#20
Peanutuk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The North, UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,082	This ebay seller seems to be getting rather annoyed with people like yourselves http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...176394240&rd=1

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