Compact Flash+CDROM on A4000 IDE?

stefcep2 · 17 March 2010, 22:30

I have not been able to get both a compact flash card and cdrom work together on the internal A4000 interface. The A4000 just hangs at boot. Has anyone achieved getting a compact flash and an IDE CCDROM working in a master/slave configuration on the internal A4000 IDE interface? If so, what IDE-Compact flash adaptor did you use?

FOL · 17 March 2010, 22:46

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Originally Posted by stefcep2

I have not been able to get both a compact flash card and cdrom work together on the internal A4000 interface. The A4000 just hangs at boot. Has anyone achieved getting a compact flash and an IDE CCDROM working in a master/slave configuration on the internal A4000 IDE interface? If so, what IDE-Compact flash adaptor did you use?

I had this setup on the A4000D at amigakit, it ran fine, never had a problem.
Does your CF adapter have a master / slave jumper?

stefcep2 · 17 March 2010, 23:08

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Originally Posted by FOL

I had this setup on the A4000D at amigakit, it ran fine, never had a problem.
Does your CF adapter have a master / slave jumper?

Yes it has a master/slave option.

I'm using a 4 gig Sandisk compact flash card, which works on its own, just not with three IDE CD-ROMS I've tried. All the CD-ROMS work with the hard drive on the same IDE ribbon set as slave. I've even tried setting the CDROM's to master and the compact flash to slave, even removed the jumpers, still no go. I even put them on a FastaATA board.

I think its the IDE-CF adaptor. Can you say where you got your CF-IDE adaptor from?

prowler · 17 March 2010, 23:48

Hi stefcep2,

Does your IDE-CF adaptor accept one CF card or two?

Note that if it will accept two CF cards, then it may occupy both master and slave configurations even when it is fitted with only one card, however it is jumpered.

stefcep2 · 18 March 2010, 04:00

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Originally Posted by prowler

Hi stefcep2,

Does your IDE-CF adaptor accept one CF card or two?

Note that if it will accept two CF cards, then it may occupy both master and slave configurations even when it is fitted with only one card, however it is jumpered.

No, one only

rkauer · 18 March 2010, 19:56

Are you sure the adaptor does not have space in the other side to place another CF socket?

stefcep2 · 19 March 2010, 03:29

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Originally Posted by rkauer

Are you sure the adaptor does not have space in the other side to place another CF socket?

Yep. Its one of these.http://cgi.ebay.com.au/3-5-IDE-BOOTA...item45eee73c43

rkauer · 19 March 2010, 21:13

That one you linked have space to solder another CF on the "unused" side. Even if it only have one CF socket, it still is a dual CF board.

It rules out any other device in the IDE channel. Your best bets are using another adaptor or buying an IDEFix Express board and installing the CD in the secondary channel.

whiteb · 20 March 2010, 05:13

Sorry Stef,

RK is right, that is a DUAL CF board, with just one socket soldered.

I got a 44 Pin one here for my A1200, has the Tinned pads on the reverse.

Jope · 20 March 2010, 09:11

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Originally Posted by rkauer

Even if it only have one CF socket, it still is a dual CF board.

It rules out any other device in the IDE channel.

Ok, now I am intrigued.

I guess we agree that it's the card that does the actual talking to the IDE bus, so how do these adapters forbid you to use additional IDE devices, when you have only one card plugged in?

It sure is possible, but I'd like to know more about the workings behind this, as my experience is to the contrary.

xc8 · 20 March 2010, 12:02

IIRC has something to do with the pin 28 on IDE (grounded == master)

chris

Jope · 20 March 2010, 13:32

If you force both devices to their respective IDs with jumpers, the state of pin28 makes no difference.

stefcep2 · 21 March 2010, 03:19

OK so does anyone have any experience with adaptors that work?

What do people think of this:http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....:X:AAQ:AU:1123

rkauer · 21 March 2010, 21:16

Good for a 3.5" HD replacement, as your Amiga is an A4000, go for it.

But I prefer another type, like the ones with a back faceplate to hook in an unused Zorro slot.

I found two interesting versions:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10311

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.34403

Have fun!

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rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Are you sure the adaptor does not have space in the other side to place another CF socket?

19 March 2010, 21:13	#8
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	That one you linked have space to solder another CF on the "unused" side. Even if it only have one CF socket, it still is a dual CF board. It rules out any other device in the IDE channel. Your best bets are using another adaptor or buying an IDEFix Express board and installing the CD in the secondary channel.

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whiteb Fanatically Amiga. Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Age: 54 Posts: 1,557	Sorry Stef, RK is right, that is a DUAL CF board, with just one socket soldered. I got a 44 Pin one here for my A1200, has the Tinned pads on the reverse.

20 March 2010, 12:02	#11
xc8 no c= no fun Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 313	IIRC has something to do with the pin 28 on IDE (grounded == master) chris

20 March 2010, 13:32	#12
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,863	If you force both devices to their respective IDs with jumpers, the state of pin28 makes no difference.

21 March 2010, 03:19	#13
stefcep2 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Melbourne/Australia Posts: 226	OK so does anyone have any experience with adaptors that work? What do people think of this:http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....:X:AAQ:AU:1123

21 March 2010, 21:16	#14
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Good for a 3.5" HD replacement, as your Amiga is an A4000, go for it. But I prefer another type, like the ones with a back faceplate to hook in an unused Zorro slot. I found two interesting versions: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10311 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.34403 Have fun!

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