Double Dragon - Arcade port in C - Page 2

kamelito · 08 June 2020, 14:35

On Twitter I read often posts from experienced game programmers that hate OO and C++, for example Casey Muratory, Johnathan blow or Mike Acton... Jon is developing a new programming language to replace C++ for game developers (Jay)

To become a C God : https://fabiensanglard.net/c/

ElectricCafe · 08 June 2020, 15:16

Great stuff, thanks for all the input, it's all useful.

d4rk3lf · 08 June 2020, 16:09

This is great!

However, if I may selfishly ask: "Is there any chance of porting Final Fight , instead of Double Dragon"?

DD is not really that good beat em up, imho, and we already have somewhat descent port of it (not sure if it's DD 1, 2 or 3 most descent), and FF port is really bad in terms of gameplay.

ElectricCafe · 08 June 2020, 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by d4rk3lf

This is great!

However, if I may selfishly ask: "Is there any chance of porting Final Fight , instead of Double Dragon"?

DD is not really that good beat em up, imho, and we already have somewhat descent port of it (not sure if it's DD 1, 2 or 3 most descent), and FF port is really bad in terms of gameplay.

0% chance of that for this project

However longer term it could be possible.

The port of DD2 was ok but the Amiga deserves better. I agree Final Fight was horrible to play.

kamelito · 08 June 2020, 17:40

Too bad it is in ASM https://github.com/miohtama/DRGNSRC

jotd · 08 June 2020, 17:50

good find nevertheless!

DamienD · 08 June 2020, 18:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElectricCafe

The port of DD2 was ok but the Amiga deserves better.

This is a pretty good port IMHO

...but you're going the first game in the series aren't you, which isn't great on the Amiga?

Reido · 09 June 2020, 23:55

Very excited to hear about this port, a firm favourite of mine in the arcades. Doubles with friends/brothers, happy memories! Good luck with this project, looking forward to updates.

p.s. I know its early to be discussing the music, and maybe it's not a consideration just yet, but what's the plan for the music?!!

DJ Metune's music for McGeezer's (arcade perfect surely?!) Rygar port was just so fabulously spot on it was the icing on an already perfect cake!

saimon69 · 10 June 2020, 08:07

If he decide to go with me am using hoot to grab music samples; would try to have a two or three channel in-game music - even though the two players would seem more inclined to two channels however will see

ElectricCafe · 10 June 2020, 12:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reido

Very excited to hear about this port, a firm favourite of mine in the arcades. Doubles with friends/brothers, happy memories! Good luck with this project, looking forward to updates.

p.s. I know its early to be discussing the music, and maybe it's not a consideration just yet, but what's the plan for the music?!!

DJ Metune's music for McGeezer's (arcade perfect surely?!) Rygar port was just so fabulously spot on it was the icing on an already perfect cake!

Thank you, yes this should be alot of fun for us to make. The Amiga is very close to my heart, and Double Dragon is a project of passion.

Regarding music, I know saimon is interested, thank you for that, but I already have a plan to do it myself as a joint project with Cody Carpenter. Taking a approach similar to Viperhacks version of Final Fight.

You can check out my music here: http://www.electriccafe.xyz/video-games

ElectricCafe · 10 June 2020, 13:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by saimon69

If he decide to go with me am using hoot to grab music samples; would try to have a two or three channel in-game music - even though the two players would seem more inclined to two channels however will see

We will most likely use 3 channels music, 1 for sfx.

But I will also do some tests using 4 channels for music and dynamically inserting the sfx into the music (in my head that already sounds a bad idea but it may work well, you never know)

ElectricCafe · 11 June 2020, 13:03

Photoshop mock up in 32 colours of first area using a selective palette and relying on no hardware tricks.

Would need a few cleanups here and there but it already looks great.

saimon69 · 11 June 2020, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElectricCafe

Thank you, yes this should be alot of fun for us to make. The Amiga is very close to my heart, and Double Dragon is a project of passion.

Regarding music, I know saimon is interested, thank you for that, but I already have a plan to do it myself as a joint project with Cody Carpenter. Taking a approach similar to Viperhacks version of Final Fight.

You can check out my music here: http://www.electriccafe.xyz/video-games

Just regarding Final Fight, for a failed port i composed all in-game tracks in two channel couple years ago, you can hear the result here:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...nqBpNIv1TTVOYY

jotd · 11 June 2020, 22:39

excellent music for next work week!

demoniac · 11 June 2020, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElectricCafe

I already have a plan to do it myself as a joint project with Cody Carpenter.

That's cool. I went to two of Cody's shows with his dad. Not sure if John Carpenter is into the Amiga as there's in Prince of Darkness. I suspect it was added by a crew member and not at John's request.

saimon69 · 11 June 2020, 22:57

Darn, i am in Los Angeles and never had the pleasure to stumble in John Carpenter

And is one of my referral points when i compose, loved Escape from NY soundtrack

ElectricCafe · 12 June 2020, 10:40

Regarding music again, we will investigate the use of TFMX as a possibility.

It will give us a richer soundscape and the instruments can be shared across files, saving memory.

ElectricCafe · 12 June 2020, 15:34

Every Friday we discuss progress, this forum and action points for the week ahead.

This week we will be trying to achieve the following:

(1)
Write something to disk, can be just text
Read from disk and print to console
(2)
Put text file onto Amiga.
Read file from disk and print to console
(3)
Put image file onto Amiga.
Read image file from disk and print bytes to console (not as image, as text).
(4)
Put image file onto Amiga.
Read image file from disk and display image on screen.

Once we have these basics in place it will provide the foundations of loading assets into memory.

OmegaMax · 14 June 2020, 07:13

Hi ElectricCafe,do you have any experience in how to implement fighting AI logic or is this your first project in this genre?

jotd · 14 June 2020, 10:15

no offense, but posting your wishes and what you're going to do here isn't going to make your game real.

We've seen so many threads with game projects that never were made. Now it's time to jump in the void and accept long weeks of non-working & crashing trash & technical questions about compiler/graphics/sounds/music replayer/blitter/sprites/copper/scrolling until you can show us something.

Good luck.

11 June 2020, 13:03	#32
ElectricCafe Registered User Join Date: May 2020 Location: Cambridge Posts: 36	Photoshop mock up in 32 colours of first area using a selective palette and relying on no hardware tricks. Would need a few cleanups here and there but it already looks great. Attached Thumbnails

12 June 2020, 15:34	#38
ElectricCafe Registered User Join Date: May 2020 Location: Cambridge Posts: 36	Every Friday we discuss progress, this forum and action points for the week ahead. This week we will be trying to achieve the following: (1) Write something to disk, can be just text Read from disk and print to console (2) Put text file onto Amiga. Read file from disk and print to console (3) Put image file onto Amiga. Read image file from disk and print bytes to console (not as image, as text). (4) Put image file onto Amiga. Read image file from disk and display image on screen. Once we have these basics in place it will provide the foundations of loading assets into memory. Last edited by ElectricCafe; 12 June 2020 at 15:57.

14 June 2020, 10:15	#40
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,161	no offense, but posting your wishes and what you're going to do here isn't going to make your game real. We've seen so many threads with game projects that never were made. Now it's time to jump in the void and accept long weeks of non-working & crashing trash & technical questions about compiler/graphics/sounds/music replayer/blitter/sprites/copper/scrolling until you can show us something. Good luck. Last edited by jotd; 14 June 2020 at 11:46. Reason: gook doesn't make sense

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08 June 2020, 14:35	#21
kamelito Zone Friend Join Date: May 2006 Location: France Posts: 1,801	On Twitter I read often posts from experienced game programmers that hate OO and C++, for example Casey Muratory, Johnathan blow or Mike Acton... Jon is developing a new programming language to replace C++ for game developers (Jay) To become a C God : https://fabiensanglard.net/c/

08 June 2020, 15:16	#22
ElectricCafe Registered User Join Date: May 2020 Location: Cambridge Posts: 36	Great stuff, thanks for all the input, it's all useful.

08 June 2020, 16:09	#23
d4rk3lf Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Novi Sad, Serbia Posts: 1,645	This is great! However, if I may selfishly ask: "Is there any chance of porting Final Fight , instead of Double Dragon"? DD is not really that good beat em up, imho, and we already have somewhat descent port of it (not sure if it's DD 1, 2 or 3 most descent), and FF port is really bad in terms of gameplay.

08 June 2020, 17:40	#25
kamelito Zone Friend Join Date: May 2006 Location: France Posts: 1,801	Too bad it is in ASM https://github.com/miohtama/DRGNSRC

08 June 2020, 17:50	#26
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,161	good find nevertheless!

09 June 2020, 23:55	#28
Reido Registered User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Dublin/Ireland Posts: 403	Very excited to hear about this port, a firm favourite of mine in the arcades. Doubles with friends/brothers, happy memories! Good luck with this project, looking forward to updates. p.s. I know its early to be discussing the music, and maybe it's not a consideration just yet, but what's the plan for the music?!! DJ Metune's music for McGeezer's (arcade perfect surely?!) Rygar port was just so fabulously spot on it was the icing on an already perfect cake!

10 June 2020, 08:07	#29
saimon69 J.M.D - Bedroom Musician Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: los angeles,ca Posts: 3,516	If he decide to go with me am using hoot to grab music samples; would try to have a two or three channel in-game music - even though the two players would seem more inclined to two channels however will see

11 June 2020, 22:39	#34
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,161	excellent music for next work week!

11 June 2020, 22:57	#36
saimon69 J.M.D - Bedroom Musician Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: los angeles,ca Posts: 3,516	Darn, i am in Los Angeles and never had the pleasure to stumble in John Carpenter And is one of my referral points when i compose, loved Escape from NY soundtrack

12 June 2020, 10:40	#37
ElectricCafe Registered User Join Date: May 2020 Location: Cambridge Posts: 36	Regarding music again, we will investigate the use of TFMX as a possibility. It will give us a richer soundscape and the instruments can be shared across files, saving memory.

14 June 2020, 07:13	#39
OmegaMax Knight Of The Kingdom Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: It's a bald world! Posts: 179	Hi ElectricCafe,do you have any experience in how to implement fighting AI logic or is this your first project in this genre?

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