25 November 2017, 17:31 | #1 |
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Was the CPC plus soundchip good?
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Posts split from the CPC+ thread: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=89434 Feel free to discuss the merits or caveats of the CPC soundchip and make comparisons, as long as you follow the rules as stated by PortuguesePilot. ********************************************************************************************************** The CPC Plus can be OK visually, but that soundchip is like grinding metal against a blackboard. Last edited by lilalurl; 30 November 2017 at 18:56. |
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Edit: BTW is there a thread for the CPC? If there isn't then I wouldn't call this CPC Plus but just Amstrad CPC so we can talk here about all of them. Last edited by Retrofan; 25 November 2017 at 23:30. |
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28 November 2017, 00:23 | #5 |
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Instead of saying i'm nuts, why don't you get a look first on DMA, and then come saying i'm nuts ?
The Amiga has DMA for the music. in french, but you got your facts straight : http://obligement.free.fr/articles/audio_dma.php And the CPC plus has DMA audio, the same way. |
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But they dropped the CPC from the 6128 with the PLUS. I had to change the drive belt in my Plus this year on the 3". But then I have had to replace the drive belts in the 8256, 9512, 2xDDIs, 3x6128s, 2x6128PLUSs, 664 and 2xSpectrum+3 and get this even the 3.5" Citizen floppy drive in a 9512+. Only 3"s to survive this year were in 2xEinstein. Waiting for them to ' a go go '.
The Plus uses the DMA engine unlike the CPC machines. GX4000 http://www.scuzzscink.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz136.htm CPC464 http://www.scuzzscink.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz137.htm 464PLUS http://www.scuzzscink.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz156.htm CPC664 http://www.scuzzscink.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz399.htm CPC6128 http://www.scuzzscink.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz159.htm 6128PLUS http://www.scuzzscink.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz356.htm I use the 6128 and 6128plus two 464s every day but in truth nothing beats the Amstrad MegaPC.. http://www.scuzzscink.com/amiga/scuz...ber17_2501.htm http://www.scuzzscink.com/amiga/scuz...ber17_2502.htm One word SONIC... not really an Amstrad. Just borrows the case. Sorry if you were talking about another CPC+. Never heard of it. Maybe a model I missed. scuzz http://www.scuzzscink.com/amiga/scuzzblog.htm |
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How it that relevant? |
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LoL, and it has a keyboard too, same as the Amiga. About the CPC plus I agree it was fine but at the time it was too late. Even the STE was too late at 1989 and it was much better than the CPC plus.
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29 November 2017, 08:36 | #12 |
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The Amstrad CPC can replay up to 9 channels music
[ Show youtube player ] Is this the ultra super duper utilized DMA? To send data from 9 memory spots to the audio chip that is capable of only 3 channel? Or is it something like the Amiga way with on the fly mixing, where the stock Amiga 500 was able to do only 8 channels, with TFMX. |
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Since it doesn't mention Plus anywhere, it's bog-standard non-DMA sound.
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29 November 2017, 16:35 | #14 |
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And that video is a fine example of the piece of shit sound you have to withstand if you own one of these (or any other machine with a similar PSG: Spectrum +2, SAM Coupe, Master System, MSX...)
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Even the Mega-Drive has this same kind of PSG (Actually the same one as the Master System), but it also has an FM chip, so the PSG is used more for sound effects. |
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Yeah, the MSX also has access to FM and SCC so it works out OK. But every machine relying on this chip sounds like shit.
Atari ST is another one with a variant of this dreary PSG. I mean, ok, at the time, I am sure it was great, especially when you needed to cut costs, and it's still better than a beeper (unless you use the beeper as pwm) but there's no way I'd listen to this shit nowadays unless I am forced to, unlike AMiga or C64 music. |
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Jochen Hippel knew how to use ST sound chip.
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29 November 2017, 18:59 | #18 |
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I really don't think it was that bad either
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Both Knightmare games are legendary.
Here's one of my favourites with the ST's AY-3-8910: [ Show youtube player ] Dark, moody and packed with feeling. Also, musically very balanced. Much better than the Amiga version (by portuguese-french composers Alain da Silva and David Peres). The Paula chip is undoubtedly superior for sound and music, but the AY-3-8910 (or the YM2612 variant) had its charm too. EDIT: Spectrum tunes I enjoyed particularly: SWIV (the Highscore tune is also great. Can't find it on Youtube, though) [ Show youtube player ] Canon Bubble (basically every tune) [ Show youtube player ] The Farmer Jack series [ Show youtube player ] Pumpkin Poe (quite brilliant, this one) [ Show youtube player ] There are quite some more. Last edited by PortuguesePilot; 29 November 2017 at 19:48. |
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