Using a Compact Flash card on a600/a1200 IDE - Page 11

Zetr0 · 01 May 2007, 15:47

@merlin
Heys buddy!

I have been some what busy of l8 m8 and totaly forgot... read your PM

Merlin · 01 May 2007, 20:28

Reply sent

TheBoss · 11 May 2007, 12:42

I need some help guys, I have finally all the bits for ditching the old IDE drive to a CF/IDE solution.

I have made a setup of WB 3.1 in WinUAE, transfered it over to the CF Card using my laptop, ran the CF card directly in WinUAE as a harddisk, boots perfectly but when installing it onto my CD32 (SX32 Pro), the HD is not detected at all, tried both with master/slave configs...anyone know whats up? :/

The CF/IDE adapter was ordered from hongkong:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IDE-to-CF-Comp...QQcmdZViewItem

TheBoss · 11 May 2007, 13:41

Forgot to mention when the CD32 is turned on, the CF/IDE adapter shows a red light for a short time then turns off and nothing happens except the default CD32 boot logo.

Zetr0 · 11 May 2007, 15:19

Heys buddy,

It sounds like a fault with your adapter, I have a spare i can send you to test (this works on my a1200 with a 44pin to 40 pin ide lead *easy to make* )

just PM me

and we can sort it out m8y..

TheBoss · 11 May 2007, 18:52

Thx for the offer and yes it seems its the adapter which is funky but at least thats the cheap part so no big loss. I have just ordered 2 new ones from ebest24 since they where cheap so guess I will have to wait until next week to continue

Zetr0 · 12 May 2007, 02:38

okies Boss,

Best of luck!

_ThEcRoW · 15 May 2007, 04:03

Just a easy question: is possible to use one of these ide card readers for pc's that read multiple types of card? It could be interesting not to stuck only to cf and be able to use sd and the others.
Thams in advance!!!!

Chain · 15 May 2007, 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBoss

Thx for the offer and yes it seems its the adapter which is funky but at least thats the cheap part so no big loss. I have just ordered 2 new ones from ebest24 since they where cheap so guess I will have to wait until next week to continue

im using same adapter in sx1 and couple of other miggys.
sometime those cheapy little craps didnt worn due to bad soldering. look carefully between borh connectors, there is sometime bad joints or shorts. grab a sharp needle and voila, it works

TheBoss · 15 May 2007, 11:54

Interesting Chain so the adapter should work alright. I have tried what you suggested but cant make it work yet. In anycase I have just emailed seller about the problem so with a bit of luck I might get him to send me a replacement.

Edit: Whatever it was, I got it to work with the adapter finally so all is fine

29 May 2007, 02:22

Hi Folks

perhaps someone can give a hint of an idea to sort this one

Basically an A1200, Apollo pcmcia friendly 68030, 32mb accelerator

i have used 3 CF cards of various sizes successfully since 2005 and have had basic workbench 3.1, classicwb, OS3.5, OS3.9 & amigasys all running superbly

my problem is........

i am trying to connect a laptop dvd/cdrw to the miggy and eventually build it into the a1200 casing

when using my 4gb laptop hard drive (instead of CF) it is detected as a cd.device, unit 0 and perfectly useable and handy for the adf transfers etc etc

when used with CF adaptor however..... dialog comes on at boot time...unable to mount cd.device etc etc

it is as though the signal is being terminated by the CF 2 IDE adaptor BEFORE it gets to the dvd drive (when using a single ribbon cable)

have also used 2 different IDEFIX adaptors and separate ribbons......no luck either, and same problem

any ideas would be welcome ???

BTW

many thanks for the inspiration goes to PPIL for this easy and working solution to CF PCMCIA booting....wooohooo you are a genius

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=306788&postcount=46

and also to:

Zetr0 for his article on a slimline DVD drive fitted INSIDE his A600

Richard

cv643d · 29 May 2007, 21:07

I have a CF-IDE adapter that does not work on my Amiga even if I remove the CF card from it and have a HD on first IDE port and the CF adapter on the second IDE cable on the second IDE port. Which is a bit odd since I thought the CF adapter was a passive component.

Anyway, I will probably wire up one myself since the schematics can be found on the net, to bad I wasted 15 euro on this one though

ppill · 29 May 2007, 23:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanderlead

many thanks for the inspiration goes to PPIL for this easy and working solution to CF PCMCIA booting....wooohooo you are a genius
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=306788&postcount=46

Thanks for the kind words. Nice to hear that someone finds these setups useful.
You can also check out this thread for tips on creating a real amiga partition on a CF card connected via a PCMCIA adapter. It's faster than the HDF method but slightly more difficult to set up.

Zetr0 · 30 May 2007, 00:06

@wanderlead

Welcome to the EAB, I am glad that you are liking it here

I totaly agree ppil is a Classic Workbench Hero!

, and i look forward to configuring a CF card soon

Thanks for the Kudos btw

I realy enjoyed building the a600, wich indeed was an omarge to another forum member here (Smiley) whom did it first.

I got lucky and helped out by al lot of other forum members here but a big thanks to Lopos2000 and in a way its also thank you to EAB

for its continual inspiration!

(wait till you see the next project - its awsome!)

anyway to the crux of your problem...

I believe that you are suffering from a device confusion bewteen the hard disk (CF-IDE) and the SFF ROM,

okay there are a couple of possible solutions you could try,

depending on both the CF-IDE apater and the JAE adapter there exists positions to configure them as CS or Cable Select. This would allow the limmited intelegence of the Amiga IDE to configure the devices by thier circuitry.

If this is not able to be done, you may need to invest £12 in a buffered IDE interface and use the secondary channel for the ROM, I would recomend this method evertime as it really does make things both easy and improves performance.

dkovacs · 04 June 2007, 23:27

I got my internal CF-IDE adaptor off of ebay for like $7.00. Works great. Now, I don't see that much of a speed increase between the hard drive and the CF card. I'm running an A1200 with a DKB cobra 68030 28Mhz.

BippyM · 05 June 2007, 17:38

can someone explain what this is pls.. does it allow connection of a HD in the pcmcia port or does it allow pcmcia cards to be connected to the ide interface?

I'm a little lost, and fancy looking into this

Zetr0 · 05 June 2007, 19:14

@bippym
there are two methods being discussed here, the PCMCIA version that converts the CF card to be used as a Hard disk via the PCMCIA port.

The other method converts the CF type 2 to an IDE device. thusly the IDE port can then use the CF cards as a native IDE hard drive.

There are pro's and cons to this method but the main point is that the PCMCIA method doesnt auto-boot like the IDE method.

hope that helps m8y.

BippyM · 05 June 2007, 19:18

hmmm i wanna use the type2 method as I want to have an internal hd that is super quiet, and doesn't munch power

cv643d · 05 June 2007, 20:49

I have some trouble again with my CF setup, any help with troubleshooting would be great!

I have this CF converter ->
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-DUAL-Compa...QQcmdZViewItem

And this CF card: TwinMOS Ultra-X 140X 1GB, the card has been confirmed working with a CF adapter and A1200 in this thread.

I have an A1200 with BPPC/BVision, IDEFix.

On one channel I have my 3.5 harddrive on the second channel I have the CF adapter and computer will not boot. I take out the CF card and the computer will still not boot. Tried the slave/master jumper and setting the CF card in the second CF slot but no progress.

I also tried no HD and CF-converter alone and booting from a floppy with HDtoolbox. Then the computer boots fine but HDtoolbox does not find any "harddrives". So do you think the CF-adapter is broken or not functioning with the A1200? How can you know for sure if an adapter will work with the A1200 ?

amigarobbo · 17 June 2007, 10:32

Would something like this

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/bootable-Femal...QQcmdZViewItem

work? as in just plug it straight into the A1200/600 Motherboard?

11 May 2007, 13:41	#204
TheBoss Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 840	Forgot to mention when the CD32 is turned on, the CF/IDE adapter shows a red light for a short time then turns off and nothing happens except the default CD32 boot logo. Last edited by TheBoss; 11 May 2007 at 13:48.

15 May 2007, 11:54	#210
TheBoss Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 840	Interesting Chain so the adapter should work alright. I have tried what you suggested but cant make it work yet. In anycase I have just emailed seller about the problem so with a bit of luck I might get him to send me a replacement. Edit: Whatever it was, I got it to work with the adapter finally so all is fine Last edited by TheBoss; 24 May 2007 at 13:34.

29 May 2007, 02:22	#211
wanderlead Posts: n/a	help please : A1200 2GB CF & internal IDE adaptor Hi Folks perhaps someone can give a hint of an idea to sort this one Basically an A1200, Apollo pcmcia friendly 68030, 32mb accelerator i have used 3 CF cards of various sizes successfully since 2005 and have had basic workbench 3.1, classicwb, OS3.5, OS3.9 & amigasys all running superbly my problem is........ i am trying to connect a laptop dvd/cdrw to the miggy and eventually build it into the a1200 casing when using my 4gb laptop hard drive (instead of CF) it is detected as a cd.device, unit 0 and perfectly useable and handy for the adf transfers etc etc when used with CF adaptor however..... dialog comes on at boot time...unable to mount cd.device etc etc it is as though the signal is being terminated by the CF 2 IDE adaptor BEFORE it gets to the dvd drive (when using a single ribbon cable) have also used 2 different IDEFIX adaptors and separate ribbons......no luck either, and same problem any ideas would be welcome ??? BTW many thanks for the inspiration goes to PPIL for this easy and working solution to CF PCMCIA booting....wooohooo you are a genius http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=306788&postcount=46 and also to: Zetr0 for his article on a slimline DVD drive fitted INSIDE his A600 Richard Last edited by wanderlead; 29 May 2007 at 03:55.

05 June 2007, 20:49	#219
cv643d Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 762	I have some trouble again with my CF setup, any help with troubleshooting would be great! I have this CF converter -> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-DUAL-Compa...QQcmdZViewItem And this CF card: TwinMOS Ultra-X 140X 1GB, the card has been confirmed working with a CF adapter and A1200 in this thread. I have an A1200 with BPPC/BVision, IDEFix. On one channel I have my 3.5 harddrive on the second channel I have the CF adapter and computer will not boot. I take out the CF card and the computer will still not boot. Tried the slave/master jumper and setting the CF card in the second CF slot but no progress. I also tried no HD and CF-converter alone and booting from a floppy with HDtoolbox. Then the computer boots fine but HDtoolbox does not find any "harddrives". So do you think the CF-adapter is broken or not functioning with the A1200? How can you know for sure if an adapter will work with the A1200 ? Last edited by cv643d; 05 June 2007 at 21:17.

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01 May 2007, 15:47	#201
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@merlin Heys buddy! I have been some what busy of l8 m8 and totaly forgot... read your PM

01 May 2007, 20:28	#202
Merlin AmiBay MegaMod Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Manchester, UK Age: 62 Posts: 1,163	Reply sent

11 May 2007, 12:42	#203
TheBoss Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 840	I need some help guys, I have finally all the bits for ditching the old IDE drive to a CF/IDE solution. I have made a setup of WB 3.1 in WinUAE, transfered it over to the CF Card using my laptop, ran the CF card directly in WinUAE as a harddisk, boots perfectly but when installing it onto my CD32 (SX32 Pro), the HD is not detected at all, tried both with master/slave configs...anyone know whats up? :/ The CF/IDE adapter was ordered from hongkong: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IDE-to-CF-Comp...QQcmdZViewItem

11 May 2007, 15:19	#205
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	Heys buddy, It sounds like a fault with your adapter, I have a spare i can send you to test (this works on my a1200 with a 44pin to 40 pin ide lead easy to make ) just PM me and we can sort it out m8y..

11 May 2007, 18:52	#206
TheBoss Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 840	Thx for the offer and yes it seems its the adapter which is funky but at least thats the cheap part so no big loss. I have just ordered 2 new ones from ebest24 since they where cheap so guess I will have to wait until next week to continue

12 May 2007, 02:38	#207
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	okies Boss, Best of luck!

15 May 2007, 04:03	#208
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	Just a easy question: is possible to use one of these ide card readers for pc's that read multiple types of card? It could be interesting not to stuck only to cf and be able to use sd and the others. Thams in advance!!!!

29 May 2007, 21:07	#212
cv643d Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 762	I have a CF-IDE adapter that does not work on my Amiga even if I remove the CF card from it and have a HD on first IDE port and the CF adapter on the second IDE cable on the second IDE port. Which is a bit odd since I thought the CF adapter was a passive component. Anyway, I will probably wire up one myself since the schematics can be found on the net, to bad I wasted 15 euro on this one though

30 May 2007, 00:06	#214
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@wanderlead Welcome to the EAB, I am glad that you are liking it here I totaly agree ppil is a Classic Workbench Hero! , and i look forward to configuring a CF card soon Thanks for the Kudos btw I realy enjoyed building the a600, wich indeed was an omarge to another forum member here (Smiley) whom did it first. I got lucky and helped out by al lot of other forum members here but a big thanks to Lopos2000 and in a way its also thank you to EAB for its continual inspiration! (wait till you see the next project - its awsome!) anyway to the crux of your problem... I believe that you are suffering from a device confusion bewteen the hard disk (CF-IDE) and the SFF ROM, okay there are a couple of possible solutions you could try, depending on both the CF-IDE apater and the JAE adapter there exists positions to configure them as CS or Cable Select. This would allow the limmited intelegence of the Amiga IDE to configure the devices by thier circuitry. If this is not able to be done, you may need to invest £12 in a buffered IDE interface and use the secondary channel for the ROM, I would recomend this method evertime as it really does make things both easy and improves performance.

04 June 2007, 23:27	#215
dkovacs Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Goderich Ontario Canada Age: 47 Posts: 64	I got my internal CF-IDE adaptor off of ebay for like $7.00. Works great. Now, I don't see that much of a speed increase between the hard drive and the CF card. I'm running an A1200 with a DKB cobra 68030 28Mhz.

05 June 2007, 17:38	#216
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	can someone explain what this is pls.. does it allow connection of a HD in the pcmcia port or does it allow pcmcia cards to be connected to the ide interface? I'm a little lost, and fancy looking into this

05 June 2007, 19:14	#217
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@bippym there are two methods being discussed here, the PCMCIA version that converts the CF card to be used as a Hard disk via the PCMCIA port. The other method converts the CF type 2 to an IDE device. thusly the IDE port can then use the CF cards as a native IDE hard drive. There are pro's and cons to this method but the main point is that the PCMCIA method doesnt auto-boot like the IDE method. hope that helps m8y.

05 June 2007, 19:18	#218
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	hmmm i wanna use the type2 method as I want to have an internal hd that is super quiet, and doesn't munch power

17 June 2007, 10:32	#220
amigarobbo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 181	Would something like this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/bootable-Femal...QQcmdZViewItem work? as in just plug it straight into the A1200/600 Motherboard?

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