Next game to port? - Page 29

Ian · 20 May 2021, 22:43

I have no idea why I voted for Gauntlet, Should've clicked Wonderboy or Double Dragon.

malko · 20 May 2021, 23:05

^ Sadly, "Double Dragon" is actually on hold
https://www.electriccafe.xyz/double-dragon

malko · 20 May 2021, 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFOU!

[..] I encountered this difficulty with the EOB 1&2 AGA port. I should have replaced the horrible C ++ code for display by a 100% ASM code ... i didn't because it would have taken too long, maybe in another live ... [...]

Since you have the EOB port experience, did or do you think about a "Lands Of Lore" port @CFOU ?

trydowave · 21 May 2021, 00:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

So hypothetically.... if I was to port another game to the Amiga after Rygar, what would you like to see?

either Rastan, Final Fight or Shinobi

oh, and on OCS

dlfrsilver · 21 May 2021, 00:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by trydowave

either Rastan, Final Fight or Shinobi

oh, and on OCS

Rastan can be done on OCS, forget for a good version of Final Fight or Shinobi.
Those require an AGA machine for convincing result.

DanScott · 21 May 2021, 01:25

Karnov might be a good one... perhaps Tiger Road (that got a piss poor conversion from US gold)

Wardner too is a great game, that never made it to Amiga

And I'll disagree that A500 can't do a good version of Shinobi... it should have no problem IMHO for most of it

CFou! · 21 May 2021, 01:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanScott

Karnov might be a good one... perhaps Tiger Road (that got a piss poor conversion from US gold)

Wardner too is a great game, that never made it to Amiga

And I'll disagree that A500 can't do a good version of Shinobi... it should have no problem IMHO for most of it

Karnov is good classic

dlfrsilver · 21 May 2021, 01:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanScott

Karnov might be a good one... perhaps Tiger Road (that got a piss poor conversion from US gold)

Wardner too is a great game, that never made it to Amiga

And I'll disagree that A500 can't do a good version of Shinobi... it should have no problem IMHO for most of it

The code should not be a problem. The problem lies in the graphics. Shinobi is harder to lower the colors than any capcom CPS2 game.

Shinobi uses 256 unique colors (read tons!). Lowering SSF2 for instance is easier to pass in 64 or 32 colors.

Shinobi in 32 colors looks like shit. In 64 colors it's just average to look at.

It can only be done with a full rework of the game colors/palettes (lot of work).

I can talk about this because i did a full extraction of Shinobi's arcade assets.

Wardner is a single background game, should not be a problem.

Karnov is also a game that could be done. The only thing is the amount of colors used by the sprites.

saimon69 · 21 May 2021, 06:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

Rastan can be done on OCS, forget for a good version of Final Fight or Shinobi.
Those require an AGA machine for convincing result.

Let me doubt for Shinobi: if we get rid of the parallax layer or we re-examine it to use sprites, all levels can just use 16 colors easily plus of course the player (another sprite)

Anubis · 21 May 2021, 22:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by roondar

Master of Orion/Master of Magic probably weren't ported because they really only work from HD on PC (the animations are quite large). They'd also need a lot of 880K disks. May just not have been cost effective.

Mast of Orion was released on PC on 4 floppies (1.44MB) while Master of Magic was on 7 floppies..

mcgeezer · 21 May 2021, 23:01

Rolling Thunder and Shinobi are pretty much the same game.

Doing it on an A500 is tricky because all of the sprites can change priority against the front playfield. This means you have to do two passes when you plot a sprite that for example is behind a fence.

This is why the port of them to the Amiga is generally regarded as super shit, they effectively ran out of chip ram and I'm on record of saying a few times now that Tiertex done a decent job when they actually ported it - even though it's shocking.

d4rk3lf · 21 May 2021, 23:28

Shadow Dancer was a really nice port, and it's the pretty much like Shinobi and RT.

Just had a quick peak on youtube for both Shinobi and Shadow Dancer on Amiga, and they removed fences, but Shadows Dancer really moves a lot better.

mcgeezer · 21 May 2021, 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by d4rk3lf

Shadow Dancer was a really nice port, and it's the pretty much like Shinobi and RT.

Just had a quick peak on youtube for both Shinobi and Shadow Dancer on Amiga, and they removed fences, but Shadows Dancer really moves a lot better.

RT didn't have any parallax though if I recall et Shinobi does along with Shadow Dancer.

They took out the fences and the parallax.

All in all though, I know what you mean... it seems a better port and gameplay is what counts.

Konrad · 21 May 2021, 23:46

You're talking about Shinobi having fences removed, correct ? As fences are included in ShadowDancer. I do really like the port of ShadowDancer on Amiga. If just Shinobi had the same quality...

dlfrsilver · 22 May 2021, 01:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by saimon69

Let me doubt for Shinobi: if we get rid of the parallax layer or we re-examine it to use sprites, all levels can just use 16 colors easily plus of course the player (another sprite)

I did some tries : it doesn't work. The graphics ends up to be washed out, and this is not even with sprites displays on screen.

There is only one recipe : redoing in 16 colors all the backgrounds and the sprites by hand, exactly like what Images did with Shadow Dancer (pretty good job).

Simply converting the graphics won't do the trick.

VincentGR · 22 May 2021, 08:45

I believe that would be hard to "snipe" the fence correctly by using dual playfield, right mcgeezer?

sandruzzo · 22 May 2021, 08:54

TROJAN is the easiest to port. I think with well programmed game engine, it can be reused for Rastan too

saimon69 · 22 May 2021, 09:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

I did some tries : it doesn't work. The graphics ends up to be washed out, and this is not even with sprites displays on screen.

There is only one recipe : redoing in 16 colors all the backgrounds and the sprites by hand, exactly like what Images did with Shadow Dancer (pretty good job).

Simply converting the graphics won't do the trick.

With modern tools i expect recoloring to be easier, but yes, a direct conversion of the graphics is off the path; and the palette need to be carefully chosen

sandruzzo · 22 May 2021, 10:15

Why don't start from GBA Arcades?

https://www.spriters-resource.com/arcade/trojan/

https://www.spriters-resource.com/arcade/rastansaga/

sandruzzo · 22 May 2021, 10:28

Here Arcades' GFX

https://vgmaps.com/Atlas/Arcade/

View Poll Results: What game do you want to see ported to the Amiga?
Rolling Thunder (Arcade)	21	6.58%
Gauntlet (Arcade)	29	9.09%
Shinobi (Arcade)	49	15.36%
Pacman (Arcade)	7	2.19%
Final Fight (Arcade)	35	10.97%
Rastan (Arcade)	30	9.40%
Side Arms (Arcade)	1	0.31%
Nemesis/Gradius (Arcade)	13	4.08%
Raiden (Arcade)	10	3.13%
Raiden II (Arcade)	11	3.45%
Space Invaders (Arcade)	2	0.63%
Bad Dudes vs Dragon Ninja (Arcade)	6	1.88%
Wonder Boy (Arcade)	46	14.42%
Axelay (SNES)	9	2.82%
Double Dragon (Arcade)	13	4.08%
None - Do my own game!	37	11.60%
Voters: 319. You may not vote on this poll

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20 May 2021, 22:43	#561
Ian Global Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 46 Posts: 2,287	I have no idea why I voted for Gauntlet, Should've clicked Wonderboy or Double Dragon.

20 May 2021, 23:05	#562
malko Ex nihilo nihil Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: CH Posts: 4,884	^ Sadly, "Double Dragon" is actually on hold https://www.electriccafe.xyz/double-dragon

21 May 2021, 01:25	#566
DanScott Lemon. / Core Design Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Tier 5 Posts: 1,212	Karnov might be a good one... perhaps Tiger Road (that got a piss poor conversion from US gold) Wardner too is a great game, that never made it to Amiga And I'll disagree that A500 can't do a good version of Shinobi... it should have no problem IMHO for most of it

21 May 2021, 23:01	#571
mcgeezer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Sunderland, England Posts: 2,702	Rolling Thunder and Shinobi are pretty much the same game. Doing it on an A500 is tricky because all of the sprites can change priority against the front playfield. This means you have to do two passes when you plot a sprite that for example is behind a fence. This is why the port of them to the Amiga is generally regarded as super shit, they effectively ran out of chip ram and I'm on record of saying a few times now that Tiertex done a decent job when they actually ported it - even though it's shocking.

21 May 2021, 23:28	#572
d4rk3lf Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Novi Sad, Serbia Posts: 1,648	Shadow Dancer was a really nice port, and it's the pretty much like Shinobi and RT. Just had a quick peak on youtube for both Shinobi and Shadow Dancer on Amiga, and they removed fences, but Shadows Dancer really moves a lot better.

21 May 2021, 23:46	#574
Konrad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 742	You're talking about Shinobi having fences removed, correct ? As fences are included in ShadowDancer. I do really like the port of ShadowDancer on Amiga. If just Shinobi had the same quality...

22 May 2021, 08:45	#576
VincentGR Registered User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Greece Posts: 290	I believe that would be hard to "snipe" the fence correctly by using dual playfield, right mcgeezer?

22 May 2021, 08:54	#577
sandruzzo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Italy/Rome Posts: 2,291	TROJAN is the easiest to port. I think with well programmed game engine, it can be reused for Rastan too

22 May 2021, 10:15	#579
sandruzzo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Italy/Rome Posts: 2,291	Why don't start from GBA Arcades? https://www.spriters-resource.com/arcade/trojan/ https://www.spriters-resource.com/arcade/rastansaga/

22 May 2021, 10:28	#580
sandruzzo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Italy/Rome Posts: 2,291	Here Arcades' GFX https://vgmaps.com/Atlas/Arcade/

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