Spy Hunter - Scorpion MAYBE - Page 2

tomcat666 · 19 April 2022, 13:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

Let me put you straight on a couple of things buster.

It's a port of the arcade game and if you play Turbo Sprint on a modern display it should deinterlace for you into a 512x384 progressive frame like very few other games do on the Amiga, that's why the game was built with the hi-res graphics.

I would not intentionally build a game to damage peoples eyes and I would not recommend running Turbo Sprint in interlace mode.

I am sorry if I offended in any way, was not my intention, since it is a SPLENDID conversion, but when using interlaced mode on the normal amiga monitor it is not very pleasant to play. As you said, on a modern display things are different.

The arcade conversions that jotd is doing and (I think) what is intended here are run on standard A500 with CRT screens, which gives them that extra arcade feeling. I love playing Scramble on the CRT monitor, would not look the same on the LCD....

jotd · 19 April 2022, 14:26

I had big issues with interlace mode on Turbo Sprint and mcgeezer even proposed a refund (which I refused since the port is awesome). In the meantime, I changed my LCD monitor and it works fine.

Using hires is always a bit "risky". But if you're doing a port of a hires game, you have no choice. For Turbo Sprint, it would have ended up with a slightly better version of the ST version of Super Sprint, which we already have...

Predseda · 19 April 2022, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by flibble42

Tell me if i'm wrong, but the Amiga never had a version.

Kinda.

https://www.lemonamiga.com/games/details.php?id=991

flibble42 · 19 April 2022, 14:42

That's a stretch, but ok

Konrad · 19 April 2022, 14:42

We have already Major Motion on the Amiga, which is already an "enhanced" version.
https://hol.abime.net/2393

I really did like that game back then :-).

And mcgeezer's port of TurboSprint is brilliant, especially the resolution.

jotd · 19 April 2022, 14:54

Let's call that Major Ripoff.

Doesn't ring a bell as a good game to me

But it looks good

[ Show youtube player ]

(Zeus channel, not under SGT, already a good sign

)

not high res, not high speed, but the graphics are good.

flibble42 · 19 April 2022, 15:01

Yep thats sposed to be Spy Hunter, but BAD. I won't say the GFX are good but someone put a lot of effort in for sure.

Konrad · 19 April 2022, 15:13

Honestly I never played SpyHunter, but I did like Major Motion

. And the graphics are not too bad compared to SpyHunter (i.e. I think they're better

)

flibble42 · 19 April 2022, 15:15

I think it's the weird angle that makes me frown a little, as i say someone made some effort, just looks a little off (angle)

jotd · 19 April 2022, 15:54

someone knew that a 1:1 port was tough

30 years ago, everyone wanted NOT to make a 1:1 port of old games. They wanted to "enhance" them (there are exceptions, like Toki or Pang, but I'm talking about more ancient games like before 1985)

Check all the pacman clones, the scramble versions, Martin Pengo... they all have "better" graphics, copperbars, etc... But playability is average, and it lacks the arcade feel or any similar A.I..

flibble42 · 19 April 2022, 19:15

I could have a go at making the sprites lores, can someone try and figure out how the road works?

flibble42 · 19 April 2022, 19:27

Anyone notice the weird arcade res? 480x480

saimon69 · 19 April 2022, 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by flibble42

Just had a look at the arcade version Hires sprites on lores bg, never noticed.

Timber, Tapper and Rampage used a similar engine
You could do something crazy like a background made of 2x2 pixel grid while sprites are usual 1x1 BUT in two frames alternating fast to simulate interlace :P

flibble42 · 19 April 2022, 20:09

Well that's going to wind me up before i start, 240/16=15.... Can't be centered, i hate everything

saimon69 · 19 April 2022, 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by flibble42

Well that's going to wind me up before i start, 240/16=15.... Can't be centered, i hate everything

Hard to be OCD with old hardware -_-

flibble42 · 20 April 2022, 06:40

I could of sworn the Amiga had HW registers to push the screen around independent of the blitter etc, maybe i'm mistaken, ooh well.

jotd · 20 April 2022, 16:31

yes, hardware scrolling, yes. But you have to "feed" the scrolling ... with the blitter

flibble42 · 20 April 2022, 16:54

Just so we are clear, i mean things like controlling the overscan, moving the screen around, could workbench not do it?

flibble42 · 20 April 2022, 17:34

My winuae is perfectly centered on the default workbench, but certain games and apps are off center, I would expect a performance drop if the blitter was involved, that is not the case. You can change the postion of the screen independant of word boundery of the blitter. I shall shut up now for fear of makeing myself look like a total idiot.

flibble42 · 08 May 2022, 11:45

Anyway, here is my Proof of Concept, I'm going to finish my sprite sheet before i move forward. And if you are wondering about the title screen, i feel it will probably look like the arcade but play more like the Spectrum version

Attachment 75548

08 May 2022, 11:45	#40
flibble42 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Age: 51 Posts: 282	Anyway, here is my Proof of Concept, I'm going to finish my sprite sheet before i move forward. And if you are wondering about the title screen, i feel it will probably look like the arcade but play more like the Spectrum version Attachment 75548 Last edited by flibble42; 13 July 2022 at 09:09.

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19 April 2022, 14:26	#22
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,162	I had big issues with interlace mode on Turbo Sprint and mcgeezer even proposed a refund (which I refused since the port is awesome). In the meantime, I changed my LCD monitor and it works fine. Using hires is always a bit "risky". But if you're doing a port of a hires game, you have no choice. For Turbo Sprint, it would have ended up with a slightly better version of the ST version of Super Sprint, which we already have...

19 April 2022, 14:42	#24
flibble42 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Age: 51 Posts: 282	That's a stretch, but ok

19 April 2022, 14:42	#25
Konrad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 742	We have already Major Motion on the Amiga, which is already an "enhanced" version. https://hol.abime.net/2393 I really did like that game back then :-). And mcgeezer's port of TurboSprint is brilliant, especially the resolution.

19 April 2022, 14:54	#26
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,162	Let's call that Major Ripoff. Doesn't ring a bell as a good game to me But it looks good [ Show youtube player ] (Zeus channel, not under SGT, already a good sign ) not high res, not high speed, but the graphics are good.

19 April 2022, 15:01	#27
flibble42 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Age: 51 Posts: 282	Yep thats sposed to be Spy Hunter, but BAD. I won't say the GFX are good but someone put a lot of effort in for sure.

19 April 2022, 15:13	#28
Konrad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 742	Honestly I never played SpyHunter, but I did like Major Motion . And the graphics are not too bad compared to SpyHunter (i.e. I think they're better )

19 April 2022, 15:15	#29
flibble42 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Age: 51 Posts: 282	I think it's the weird angle that makes me frown a little, as i say someone made some effort, just looks a little off (angle)

19 April 2022, 15:54	#30
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,162	someone knew that a 1:1 port was tough 30 years ago, everyone wanted NOT to make a 1:1 port of old games. They wanted to "enhance" them (there are exceptions, like Toki or Pang, but I'm talking about more ancient games like before 1985) Check all the pacman clones, the scramble versions, Martin Pengo... they all have "better" graphics, copperbars, etc... But playability is average, and it lacks the arcade feel or any similar A.I..

19 April 2022, 19:15	#31
flibble42 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Age: 51 Posts: 282	I could have a go at making the sprites lores, can someone try and figure out how the road works?

19 April 2022, 19:27	#32
flibble42 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Age: 51 Posts: 282	Anyone notice the weird arcade res? 480x480

19 April 2022, 20:09	#34
flibble42 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Age: 51 Posts: 282	Well that's going to wind me up before i start, 240/16=15.... Can't be centered, i hate everything

20 April 2022, 06:40	#36
flibble42 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Age: 51 Posts: 282	I could of sworn the Amiga had HW registers to push the screen around independent of the blitter etc, maybe i'm mistaken, ooh well.

20 April 2022, 16:31	#37
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,162	yes, hardware scrolling, yes. But you have to "feed" the scrolling ... with the blitter

20 April 2022, 16:54	#38
flibble42 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Age: 51 Posts: 282	Just so we are clear, i mean things like controlling the overscan, moving the screen around, could workbench not do it?

20 April 2022, 17:34	#39
flibble42 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Age: 51 Posts: 282	My winuae is perfectly centered on the default workbench, but certain games and apps are off center, I would expect a performance drop if the blitter was involved, that is not the case. You can change the postion of the screen independant of word boundery of the blitter. I shall shut up now for fear of makeing myself look like a total idiot.

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