Need help with Guru Meditation

Ioncannon · 30 September 2010, 02:10

I asked this on Amiga.org but the thread kinda died after a certain point. Basically, I added a A2091 card to my A2000, and put a 2.0 Kickstart in. I had two scsi HDDs to use. The first one, whenever I loaded the HDD, displayed corrupted graphics. Best way to describe it is like Missingno glitch from Pokemon (http://www.khurak.net/wp-content/upl.../missingno.jpg). After loading it would crash to guru meditation. This would happen even if I opened a floppy.

Next I loaded up another hdd which didn't cause this effect. However if I loaded HDSetup (as in let it run in the background), then opened the HDTools folder on my WB install disk, it would glitch the graphics and crash.

I pulled both card and rom, and it STILL did this! So I realized it wasn't the card nor the rom, but something with my Amiga. What could be causing this? The Workbench disks are legit copies, and the battery was removed long ago with no corrosion. I haven't noticed this until after the upgrade because games don't seem to have any problems running.

IIRC the error was 8000 000B or a variation such as 8000 0003

So can anyone help with what is causing this, and any fixes? Other then the two upgrades the machine is bone stock.

Ioncannon · 01 October 2010, 17:38

So no one knows what might be causing the problem?

Fingerlickin_B · 01 October 2010, 19:00

Are you saying this only happens when accessing the HDD after booting from floppy?

If so, it sounds a lot like (amongst other problems) was happening to me very recently, when my A2000's PSU gave up the ghost.

Now, I'm no expert, but if you could try a different PSU & report back?

PZ.

Ioncannon · 01 October 2010, 23:14

I did try using a PSU from another A2000 and it still happened. As I said, it even happens without the HDD/A2091 in the amiga.

Galahad/FLT · 01 October 2010, 23:29

How much memory has your Amiga got, and what memory type has it got (i.e. chip, fast, slow-fast)

Ioncannon · 02 October 2010, 02:36

Not to sure, I know all the slots on the motherboard have been filled with ram chips, not sure whatever the type is. No RAM cards or anything like that. Revision 4 motherboard.

Added: Workbench 1.3 Says 799720 free memory. BTW, whenever I try to run RAMTest on the A2091 disk it crashes too. There is no RAM on the A2091.

rkauer · 02 October 2010, 06:30

So no FAST RAM at all on this machine, and what is the MASK setting on the HD? If it is 0xFFFFFFFFF or 0xFFFFFFFFB you are asking for trouble: this mask tells the HD to use the FAST RAM as DMA/destination, and have nothing.

Toni Wilen · 02 October 2010, 08:28

Thats not what mask means.

When scsi.device gets read or write request, it checks if address matches with mask (address AND mask == address). If it matches: use DMA, if not, use CPU or temporary DMA buffer (that is DMA-able)

Mask only needs to be changed if DMA controller is 24-bit and you have 32-bit memory (68020+ accelerator)

Ioncannon · 02 October 2010, 18:03

A few questions, if there is no RAM in the A2091, does it display it or does the program crash? I assume not right?

Also when I follow the steps to format the HDD, it give it a floppy icon, and doesn't assign it to DH0:. I do get two aliases System: and Data: though (the names of the partitions).

Added: Tried to setup the drives again, and it seems it sets it to CDH0: and CDH1:

rkauer · 03 October 2010, 06:15

So the HD is a Conner brand, right?

IBM units are called IDHx:, Seagate are SDHx:, etc. Common HDToolbox behaviour.

You can change the names to DHx: on the partition program without fuss.

Ioncannon · 03 October 2010, 06:59

Ahh that's how it is setup? So in the partition tool, do I label it DH0: or a label? What I mean is in the sense such as a floppy is DF0: AND Workbench1.3. Also how do I set it to use the HDD icon instead of a floppy one?

Kinda off topic though, the problem still persists =\.

cosmicfrog · 03 October 2010, 12:20

in the partition software you give it device name DHx or what ever when you the format the drive you give it a lable

disk.icon is the image icon that the drive displays on workbench

Ioncannon · 03 October 2010, 18:04

Ahh makes sense. So the icon is not designated automatically? You must specify it yourself?

Ioncannon · 04 October 2010, 03:43

Update on the crashing problem. Just noticed that Jumper J101 was set to 2/3 not 1/2 the default. It should only be 2/3 if you are using a Fat Angus right? I check the chip and it's a normal 8370 chip. Would this cause the problem?

Ran into another one though, now the WB 2.1 installer is complaining can't execute script. HDSetup complains it's running out of memory.

Ioncannon · 09 October 2010, 00:10

Well seems I fixed the problem. I bought a A2048 RAM card from the guy I got the A2091 from, which had 8mb. Now all the problems have gone away. All the programs that crashed are running fine, and I have yet to see the corrupted gfx issue.

Photon · 09 October 2010, 02:40

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Originally Posted by Ioncannon

Need help with Guru Meditation

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30 September 2010, 02:10	#1
Ioncannon Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 24	Need help with Guru Meditation I asked this on Amiga.org but the thread kinda died after a certain point. Basically, I added a A2091 card to my A2000, and put a 2.0 Kickstart in. I had two scsi HDDs to use. The first one, whenever I loaded the HDD, displayed corrupted graphics. Best way to describe it is like Missingno glitch from Pokemon (http://www.khurak.net/wp-content/upl.../missingno.jpg). After loading it would crash to guru meditation. This would happen even if I opened a floppy. Next I loaded up another hdd which didn't cause this effect. However if I loaded HDSetup (as in let it run in the background), then opened the HDTools folder on my WB install disk, it would glitch the graphics and crash. I pulled both card and rom, and it STILL did this! So I realized it wasn't the card nor the rom, but something with my Amiga. What could be causing this? The Workbench disks are legit copies, and the battery was removed long ago with no corrosion. I haven't noticed this until after the upgrade because games don't seem to have any problems running. IIRC the error was 8000 000B or a variation such as 8000 0003 So can anyone help with what is causing this, and any fixes? Other then the two upgrades the machine is bone stock. Last edited by Ioncannon; 02 October 2010 at 15:36.

04 October 2010, 03:43	#14
Ioncannon Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 24	Update on the crashing problem. Just noticed that Jumper J101 was set to 2/3 not 1/2 the default. It should only be 2/3 if you are using a Fat Angus right? I check the chip and it's a normal 8370 chip. Would this cause the problem? Ran into another one though, now the WB 2.1 installer is complaining can't execute script. HDSetup complains it's running out of memory. Last edited by Ioncannon; 04 October 2010 at 03:44. Reason: J101 not 301

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01 October 2010, 17:38	#2
Ioncannon Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 24	So no one knows what might be causing the problem?

01 October 2010, 19:00	#3
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,242	Are you saying this only happens when accessing the HDD after booting from floppy? If so, it sounds a lot like (amongst other problems) was happening to me very recently, when my A2000's PSU gave up the ghost. Now, I'm no expert, but if you could try a different PSU & report back? PZ.

01 October 2010, 23:14	#4
Ioncannon Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 24	I did try using a PSU from another A2000 and it still happened. As I said, it even happens without the HDD/A2091 in the amiga.

01 October 2010, 23:29	#5
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,986	How much memory has your Amiga got, and what memory type has it got (i.e. chip, fast, slow-fast)

02 October 2010, 02:36	#6
Ioncannon Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 24	Not to sure, I know all the slots on the motherboard have been filled with ram chips, not sure whatever the type is. No RAM cards or anything like that. Revision 4 motherboard. Added: Workbench 1.3 Says 799720 free memory. BTW, whenever I try to run RAMTest on the A2091 disk it crashes too. There is no RAM on the A2091.

02 October 2010, 06:30	#7
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	So no FAST RAM at all on this machine, and what is the MASK setting on the HD? If it is 0xFFFFFFFFF or 0xFFFFFFFFB you are asking for trouble: this mask tells the HD to use the FAST RAM as DMA/destination, and have nothing.

02 October 2010, 08:28	#8
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Thats not what mask means. When scsi.device gets read or write request, it checks if address matches with mask (address AND mask == address). If it matches: use DMA, if not, use CPU or temporary DMA buffer (that is DMA-able) Mask only needs to be changed if DMA controller is 24-bit and you have 32-bit memory (68020+ accelerator)

02 October 2010, 18:03	#9
Ioncannon Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 24	A few questions, if there is no RAM in the A2091, does it display it or does the program crash? I assume not right? Also when I follow the steps to format the HDD, it give it a floppy icon, and doesn't assign it to DH0:. I do get two aliases System: and Data: though (the names of the partitions). Added: Tried to setup the drives again, and it seems it sets it to CDH0: and CDH1:

03 October 2010, 06:15	#10
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	So the HD is a Conner brand, right? IBM units are called IDHx:, Seagate are SDHx:, etc. Common HDToolbox behaviour. You can change the names to DHx: on the partition program without fuss.

03 October 2010, 06:59	#11
Ioncannon Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 24	Ahh that's how it is setup? So in the partition tool, do I label it DH0: or a label? What I mean is in the sense such as a floppy is DF0: AND Workbench1.3. Also how do I set it to use the HDD icon instead of a floppy one? Kinda off topic though, the problem still persists =\.

03 October 2010, 12:20	#12
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	in the partition software you give it device name DHx or what ever when you the format the drive you give it a lable disk.icon is the image icon that the drive displays on workbench

03 October 2010, 18:04	#13
Ioncannon Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 24	Ahh makes sense. So the icon is not designated automatically? You must specify it yourself?

09 October 2010, 00:10	#15
Ioncannon Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 24	Well seems I fixed the problem. I bought a A2048 RAM card from the guy I got the A2091 from, which had 8mb. Now all the problems have gone away. All the programs that crashed are running fine, and I have yet to see the corrupted gfx issue.

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