You betray the Amiga by playing DOOM!

[nikosidis]

Originally Posted by Foebane

People have told me all of my life that I'm negative, and I'm sure many regulars here will attest to that.

It's only games, yes, but people are passionate about what they like. I just am not passionate about Amiga games, but rather PC FPS's.

I think PC FPS games are totally crap and uninteresting. Funny isn't it, we are different

[TjLaZer]

Eat your heart out John Carmack! Doom ECS on the Amiga 600 at full speed!

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[NovaCoder]

Nice try but that's running on a Vampire computer, not an A600

[manossg]

Originally Posted by TjLaZer

Eat your heart out John Carmack! Doom ECS on the Amiga 600 at full speed!

Very impressive!

[Valken]

Originally Posted by johnnybarker

What about the Chaos Engine in 3D?

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Cool idea, but the top down game play needs to be adopted to 3D properly to improve the game experience.

The reverse can be said of "Doom" to a pseudo isometric 3D to take advantage of the Amiga's sprites, bobs and blitter pushing strengths.

Waitaminute... I just basically said to convert Doom to Alien Breed, but in an isometric format! LOL...

[johnnybarker]

That sounds like a winning formula!

[Bruce Abbott]

Originally Posted by NovaCoder

Nice try but that's running on a Vampire computer, not an A600

It's running on an A600 with accelerator board. Anybody can put one in their A600, just like we could 'back in the day' (I had a Viper 630 in mine).

Until watching that video I didn't realize that Doom is fully multitasking. Couldn't do that on a PC!

[Foebane]

Originally Posted by Bruce Abbott

It's running on an A600 with accelerator board. Anybody can put one in their A600, just like we could 'back in the day' (I had a Viper 630 in mine).

Until watching that video I didn't realize that Doom is fully multitasking. Couldn't do that on a PC!

You do know it's just a source port, right? I'm sure it's been 100% tailored for the Amiga, unlike the original code.

[skan]

Originally Posted by Valken

Waitaminute... I just basically said to convert Doom to Alien Breed, but in an isometric format! LOL...

Funny, I always thought Doom was just an over-hyped FPS version of Alien Breed with uninteresting, uninspired, worst and cut-down gameplay... But I aknowledge its historical importance nontheless. On the other hand I enjoyed AB3D a lot and I see how the circles closes somehow.

[Bruce Abbott]

Originally Posted by Foebane

You do know it's just a source port, right?

Duh! Yes, I am aware that x86 code doesn't run very well on an Amiga. What other kind of port could it be?

I'm sure it's been 100% tailored for the Amiga, unlike the original code.

I'm pretty sure it hasn't been '100% tailored' for the Amiga, and is in fact about 95% the same 'C' code as the original. I disassembled Doom Attack and saw a lot of redundant PC stuff.

My point about it being multitasking is it proves that a complex game can be made system friendly without a lot of effort, and apparently without much performance loss. It probably could run a bit faster by taking over the entire machine though, like most native Amiga games do.

Doom on the PC takes over the whole machine because running it in Windows 3 (the contemporary PC equivalent of Intuition) would have been practically impossible. ISTR that even getting it to run in DOS was often a struggle, as it needed all of the 640k base memory as well as extended memory. A real problem when your sound card needed DOS drivers loaded to configure it.

[pipper]

You don’t have to disassemble it. The full source is out in the open: https://github.com/mheyer32/DoomAttack (Shameless plug).
DoomAttack actually implements most of the performance sensitive code in assembly.

DoomAttack is also multithreaded on the Amiga, using two extra threads to implement screen flipping and MIDI playback.

[Foebane]

I didn't actually think that Doom on even the most accelerated emulated Amiga was up to snuff, featuring things like moonwalking zombies and so forth, or other quirks of the source port. I just prefer to play Doom on a PC source port, just for customizability's sake.

[Photon]

Well, I didn't. I have taste, and I know the first thing about computers. This was lacking in the US. The rest of the world did fine, despite Commodore's shenanigans.

Consoles died on their own. Nobody bought Macs, either.

Some had a 386 or 486 - for printing on a matrix printer! Mind blow.

Doom is mostly a US phenomenon, and it was was chug a chug slow on release. Maybe point and click to kill was all Americans were looking for in a game?

I think I'm on the safe side, questioning the success of Doom outside the USA, and I think Europe waited until Windows actually worked and did something a 10 year old computer couldn't do. It's amazing how someone can release a computer and for the first 14 years, it does absolutely nothing that no other computer can do, in fact it's a $1500 version of the 8-bit computer of the 1970s and just as clunky, and it still succeeds.

[britelite]

Originally Posted by Photon

Doom is mostly a US phenomenon

[Paul_s]

Originally Posted by EAUniW

Doom didn't kill the Amiga, Commodore killed the Amiga.

The Amiga should've been onto its third major chipset revision by 1992 with Hombre on the horizon to take on CD equipped PCs and the PlayStation 1.

OCS - 1985
AGA - 1989
AAA - 1992
Hombre - 1995

Inept management lead to years of work being pissed up the wall. ECS was a hotfix for the 3000 and AGA was a stopgap for a stopgap for a stopgap.

I dare say we could, in an alternate timeline, be talking about how Doom helped sell Homebre equipped Amigas and how well it ran on them. The Amiga CD64 should've been a real contender against Sony and Nintendo.

We've fact checked your recent post and our conclusion is: FALSE.

Reasoning: The Amiga was culled due to Little Johnny at number 5 Primrose Avenue using X-Copy to pirate Back to the Future Part II and sharing with his classmates in Year 4.


Consultant Author of Commodore fact checking report: Medhi Ali

[Dunny]

Originally Posted by Paul_s

Reasoning: The Amiga was culled due to Little Johnny at number 5 Primrose Avenue using X-Copy to pirate Back to the Future Part II and sharing with his classmates in Year 4.

Fun fact: Andrew Braybrook will block anyone on Twitter who admits to pirating Amiga or C64 games.

[Foebane]

Originally Posted by Paul_s

We've fact checked your recent post and our conclusion is: FALSE.

Reasoning: The Amiga was culled due to Little Johnny at number 5 Primrose Avenue using X-Copy to pirate Back to the Future Part II and sharing with his classmates in Year 4.


Consultant Author of Commodore fact checking report: Medhi Ali

Strange reply.

But yes, piracy did a lot of harm to the Amiga, if not killing off directly.

Then again, the engineers of the Amiga committed a major faux pas (in my opinion) of having the auto-boot floppy disk system, allowing viruses contained in the boot sector to infect the Amiga without any way of stopping them (was there?)

[skan]

Yeah, sure, because piracy was an amiga-only issue... C'mon...

[-Acid-]

Originally Posted by skan

Yeah, sure, because piracy was an amiga-only issue... C'mon...

Compared to console piracy it was off the chart though..... built in copying device and storage media that cost pennies. Yes you could pirate cartridges but 99% of people did not and bought the actual games.

I always laugh when cracker groups say they released full games so people could try them and not waste their money on shitty games, fair enough for those stinkers but what about the good games? Why did we need saving from the likes of Pinball Fantasies, Stunt Car Racer, F1GP and the Settlers for example? Sorry that was a bit OT lol

[skan]

Originally Posted by -Acid-

Compared to console piracy it was off the chart though..... built in copying device and storage media that cost pennies. Yes you could pirate cartridges but 99% of people did not and bought the actual games.

I always laugh when cracker groups say they released full games so people could try them and not waste their money on shitty games, fair enough for those stinkers but what about the good games? Why did we need saving from the likes of Pinball Fantasies, Stunt Car Racer, F1GP and the Settlers for example? Sorry that was a bit OT lol

Erhm, I think it's better if we stick to computer piracy maybe? It wasn't that easy to copy carts back then. On the other hand, none of my PC-owning friends/classmates that I knew of EVER bought an original and I'm not talking about games only, but also serious stuff like AutoCAD and 3DS... And the whole "Piracy killed the Amiga" topic has already been discussed to death already and we can all agree that it was just one of the causes, not THE cause. Developers have their share of responsability (think of all those lame 1:1 ST ports with just a better soundtrack) so I call that natural selection. Personal note: I was young, poor and stupid, but I bought the games I really care even back in 1991. End of OT.