Super Sprint AGA - Page 6

nikosidis · 25 May 2020, 22:35

I guess it is needed for a classic Amiga game to put in some special support for specific hardware if it is going to work without calibration. In Marble Madness there are 3 options. Joystick, mouse or trackball. The trackball I have I must set to mouse as it does not work correct if I select trackball. I'm sure there where some special trackball that could be bought with Amiga, Marble Madness.
I guess for Playstation adapter this could be done but seams complicated.
This is the one I have. https://amigastore.eu/622-cyclone-rx-amiga-v10.html

mcgeezer · 12 June 2020, 22:02

So since the last update I've been working on the thing that interests me the most - the car physics. This is by far the hardest part of the game, the rest is all very straight forward.

It's still not right, but feel free to try it for your self and let me know what you think.

http://109.228.4.199/SuperSprint_EAB1.adf

Graeme

Retro-Nerd · 12 June 2020, 22:10

It kinda works, but the controls (directions) are too fast and sensitive. Tried it via joypad.

mcgeezer · 12 June 2020, 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

It kinda works, but the controls (directions) are too fast and sensitive. Tried it via joypad.

The arcade is pretty fast mind so you might wanna try that one too just to compare as I was surprised how fast it was.

Retro-Nerd · 12 June 2020, 22:17

Yeah, but the original Arcade uses analog controls. Try the PSX version via Analog stick. For pure digital control i think its too fast. Couldn't play this on the Amiga like you did in this first demo.

mcgeezer · 12 June 2020, 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Yeah, but the original Arcade uses analog controls. Try the PSX version via Analog stick. For pure digital control i think its too fast. Couldn't play this on the Amiga like you did in this first demo.

OK, I'll slow it down... cheers for the feed back.

I'll also try and calibrate to the arcade version more accurately as I use the same controller in mame as I do with this and same frame rate.

mcgeezer · 14 June 2020, 23:24

So done a lot of work callibrating things to the arcade and I'm pretty happy with the result so far - still more work to do but mainly tweaks to the car handling.

I've also added other players controls, Joystick in port 1 controls the Blue Car, Joystick in port 0 (Mouse port) controls the Red Car and Keyboard controls Z/X and Space controls the Yellow Car.

Here's the link. http://109.228.4.199/SuperSprint_EAB1.adf

Time to move on to the collisions again as the way I see it that is the hardest part over with.

Geezer

nikosidis · 14 June 2020, 23:51

Works good

Tested on my A1200/030. About the screenmode it is a little flicker. Would the game work on euro72 screenmode?

Retro-Nerd · 14 June 2020, 23:54

Has to flicker, if you use the original graphics. The Arcade version is in 512x384. Controls are better now.

mcgeezer · 15 June 2020, 00:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikosidis

Works good

Tested on my A1200/030. About the screenmode it is a little flicker. Would the game work on euro72 screenmode?

Yes, it's in hires interlaced mode - it has to be like that.

Sorry I don't know what a Euro 72 screen mode is?

nikosidis · 15 June 2020, 00:21

It is part of OS 3, AGA screenmodes from Commodore. There is no flicker in those screenmodes but they are kinda slow. At least with to many colors. If of any interest I could try them out.

Productivity
640×400 @ 72Hz up to 4 colors
64 color palette
Productivity Laced
640×800 @ 72Hz up to 4 colors
64 color palette

lmimmfn · 15 June 2020, 02:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

Yes, it's in hires interlaced mode - it has to be like that.

Sorry I don't know what a Euro 72 screen mode is?

Does DBLPAL work or does it mess with your sprite routibes?

Solo Kazuki · 15 June 2020, 10:44

Euro72 is 72Hz screen mode with little to no flickering in laced modes. But it needs proper monitor which can handle these modes.

More about Amiga screen modes is here. Just remember that AGA can handle all modes with all colour depths (including HAM6 and HAM8) which is often omitted by people reading this page.

Quote:

All resolutions could now be used with all color modes.

mcgeezer · 16 June 2020, 23:01

Dev update #5 on it's way up to Youtube right now.

[ Show youtube player ]

Geezer

mcgeezer · 19 June 2020, 10:34

I had bit of a brain wave last night as I was trying to think of a good way to cover the bases of a CD32 system and multi-player.

I'm going to try a cable that has four female DB9 ends and two male ends, I'll map up/down/button 2 on each port to car players 3 and 4 respectively.

It should be interesting and not cost more than £10 to make - this would give the Amiga the edge even over the Arcade game for multi-player.

I know there's a parallel port adapter too and I might add support for that, but I also wanted to cover off multiplayer for people running emulation.

Aladin · 19 June 2020, 10:39

Cool 4 players

winuae manages joysticks 3 and 4 (of the parallel adapter)

jotd · 19 June 2020, 11:09

playing with winuae defeats the purpose of having super sprint on amiga... if you have winuae play super sprint on MAME...

real amiga to play games, no replacement

mcgeezer · 19 June 2020, 11:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

playing with winuae defeats the purpose of having super sprint on amiga... if you have winuae play super sprint on MAME...

real amiga to play games, no replacement

I agree but I think you are missing the point, the arcade version can't have 4 players - I'm proposing I can change the game to support 4 players either by Keyboard or Joysticks (with an adapter that can be built or supplied).

Aladin · 19 June 2020, 11:51

please support the Joy 3 and Joy 4 parallel adapter that we have always used on our real amiga. Even if you want to add another solution.
in all that, it's great this new 4 player mode

jotd · 19 June 2020, 16:43

ah if it's remaking the arcade 1:1 AND add features, now that's even more interesting

25 May 2020, 22:35	#101
nikosidis Registered User Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: oslo/norway Posts: 1,607	I guess it is needed for a classic Amiga game to put in some special support for specific hardware if it is going to work without calibration. In Marble Madness there are 3 options. Joystick, mouse or trackball. The trackball I have I must set to mouse as it does not work correct if I select trackball. I'm sure there where some special trackball that could be bought with Amiga, Marble Madness. I guess for Playstation adapter this could be done but seams complicated. This is the one I have. https://amigastore.eu/622-cyclone-rx-amiga-v10.html Last edited by nikosidis; 25 May 2020 at 22:44.

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12 June 2020, 22:02	#102
mcgeezer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Sunderland, England Posts: 2,702	So since the last update I've been working on the thing that interests me the most - the car physics. This is by far the hardest part of the game, the rest is all very straight forward. It's still not right, but feel free to try it for your self and let me know what you think. http://109.228.4.199/SuperSprint_EAB1.adf Graeme

12 June 2020, 22:10	#103
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,441	It kinda works, but the controls (directions) are too fast and sensitive. Tried it via joypad.

12 June 2020, 22:17	#105
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,441	Yeah, but the original Arcade uses analog controls. Try the PSX version via Analog stick. For pure digital control i think its too fast. Couldn't play this on the Amiga like you did in this first demo.

14 June 2020, 23:24	#107
mcgeezer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Sunderland, England Posts: 2,702	So done a lot of work callibrating things to the arcade and I'm pretty happy with the result so far - still more work to do but mainly tweaks to the car handling. I've also added other players controls, Joystick in port 1 controls the Blue Car, Joystick in port 0 (Mouse port) controls the Red Car and Keyboard controls Z/X and Space controls the Yellow Car. Here's the link. http://109.228.4.199/SuperSprint_EAB1.adf Time to move on to the collisions again as the way I see it that is the hardest part over with. Geezer

14 June 2020, 23:51	#108
nikosidis Registered User Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: oslo/norway Posts: 1,607	Works good Tested on my A1200/030. About the screenmode it is a little flicker. Would the game work on euro72 screenmode?

14 June 2020, 23:54	#109
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,441	Has to flicker, if you use the original graphics. The Arcade version is in 512x384. Controls are better now.

15 June 2020, 00:21	#111
nikosidis Registered User Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: oslo/norway Posts: 1,607	It is part of OS 3, AGA screenmodes from Commodore. There is no flicker in those screenmodes but they are kinda slow. At least with to many colors. If of any interest I could try them out. Productivity 640×400 @ 72Hz up to 4 colors 64 color palette Productivity Laced 640×800 @ 72Hz up to 4 colors 64 color palette

16 June 2020, 23:01	#114
mcgeezer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Sunderland, England Posts: 2,702	Dev update #5 on it's way up to Youtube right now. [ Show youtube player ] Geezer

19 June 2020, 10:34	#115
mcgeezer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Sunderland, England Posts: 2,702	I had bit of a brain wave last night as I was trying to think of a good way to cover the bases of a CD32 system and multi-player. I'm going to try a cable that has four female DB9 ends and two male ends, I'll map up/down/button 2 on each port to car players 3 and 4 respectively. It should be interesting and not cost more than £10 to make - this would give the Amiga the edge even over the Arcade game for multi-player. I know there's a parallel port adapter too and I might add support for that, but I also wanted to cover off multiplayer for people running emulation.

19 June 2020, 10:39	#116
Aladin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: France Posts: 854	Cool 4 players winuae manages joysticks 3 and 4 (of the parallel adapter)

19 June 2020, 11:09	#117
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,196	playing with winuae defeats the purpose of having super sprint on amiga... if you have winuae play super sprint on MAME... real amiga to play games, no replacement

19 June 2020, 11:51	#119
Aladin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: France Posts: 854	please support the Joy 3 and Joy 4 parallel adapter that we have always used on our real amiga. Even if you want to add another solution. in all that, it's great this new 4 player mode

19 June 2020, 16:43	#120
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,196	ah if it's remaking the arcade 1:1 AND add features, now that's even more interesting

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