Pinball Prelude CD: Can't run this through any Workbench/CLI.

MethodGit · 27 February 2016, 03:28

(I'm not dead, people! Just so you know.)

Okay, so there's this official CD-ROM version of Pinball Prelude that's been floating around for years now. Under the latest WinUAE (3.2.2), it seems to run okay when loaded directly as a CD³² title under a CD³² setup, but there's some added benefit to using the CD within a WB environment as you can choose to run or install the OCS or AGA versions of the game. Only problem atm is that attempting to choose any table from the unique frontend (unique as in it's exclusive to the CD version and the floppy versions don't have it) just quits you back to WB with the following, somewhat unhelpful error:

Code:

System Request

Error Reading File

Present/Present.img

ABORT

Now I'm aware that the HD-installer typically applies encryption to the data files it copies and ties it to the specified HD path, or even your specific hardware setup (I forget which), so you can't just copy the game to any Amiga you like and run it willy nilly. However, I'm seeing this error pop up literally within the same WB environment, without even resetting first.

It doesn't matter if I install the full game to HD, or just the executable (to run in conjunction with the CD). I can't even get it to run directly from the damn CD! I tried switching between AmiCDFS and CacheCDFS, and I've tried to run this game both from ClassicWB and from a quickly-made stock WB3.1 setup. It just ain't budging.

What's odd is that I swear I got this game to run from HD with no problem before, under a previous version of WinUAE. Can't quite remember how long ago now though, nor the specific WUAE build I was using at the time. At this stage it looks less like an encryption protection trip error and more like it just struggles to acknowledge the contents of the IMG file at the very least, from HD or CD.

Seeing as it's not on the File Server (only an unofficial Ninjaw-made ISO which is completely different), I'll just point to the very first googled link to the game in question so Toni et al can dissect the heck out of it. I did hack the installer program previously to disable all encryption attempts and install clean files, but it doesn't seem to make any difference in this case.

http://www.emuparadise.me/Amiga_CD32...32-PC%5D/57659

SkulleateR · 28 February 2016, 00:00

I´ve played this from time to time on my CD32 .... just for the interest : Where do you find any HD install option ???

When inserted to WB I can only start PRELUDE and then can do a choice of PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE ... no more options !

MethodGit · 28 February 2016, 00:08

If you browse the CD through WB you should find a folder named "AMIGA". Inside there are the three "PRELUDE" folders relating to OCS, AGA and CD³² versions. Inside each folder is the "Pinball Prelude" executable and the "Install" executable.

You are using the same CD version as what I linked to, right?

SkulleateR · 28 February 2016, 00:21

It´s the same name I downloaded some time ago from ftp and burned to CD ...

But since there is no folder named AMIGA it seems to be different ...

//UPDATE :

This is odd, I downloaded your ISO and this cannot even be started on my CD32 or my A1200 ... Allways get NO AGA CHIPSET ????

Arnie · 28 February 2016, 15:08

And you can't even use the OCS version as it looks for present.hsc & past.hsc, which isn't even on the CD or on the HD Install.

MethodGit · 28 February 2016, 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnie

And you can't even use the OCS version as it looks for present.hsc & past.hsc, which isn't even on the CD or on the HD Install.

Wait, you got further than the .img request? That's where it always goes pearshaped for me.

Arnie · 28 February 2016, 18:54

I copied the .hsc files from the WHDLoad version but now it's looking for Gamedata/gamedata.sel, which isn't anywhere to be found.

Cylon · 28 February 2016, 21:54

I tried as well. All three Games have their own CD-Path (text file) to set the location. I did not install it but simply dragged the amiga folder to my hd and renamed it pinballprelude.

When i checked with snoopdos the directories were recognized, and the menu screen worked. So the *.img file is loaded and displayed on screen, for all tables. the missing highscore files were no problem.
But if y try to start a table, the game aborts with the msg of the missing *.img file, which seems odd as this file is no longer needed. Having a closer look at the logfile created by snoopdos reveals some strange file accesss with no name (near the end), or the game tries to "load" the directory - which fails.

Code:

Process Name         Action   Target Name                                                    Options    Res.
------------         ------   -----------                                                    -------    ----
WBL                  ChangeDi GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS                                             
WBL                  Load     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Pinball Prelude                         OK  
WBL                  Lock     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Pinball Prelude              Read       OK  
WBL                  ChangeDi SYS:                                                                          
Pinball Prelude      OpenLib  graphics.library                                               Ver 0      OK  
Pinball Prelude      OpenLib  intuition.library                                              Ver 0      OK  
Pinball Prelude      OpenLib  lowlevel.library                                               Ver 0      OK  
Pinball Prelude      ChangeDi GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS                                             
Pinball Prelude      Lock     SYS:                                                           Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/CDpath                       Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Lock     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS                              Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Future/Future.SEL            Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Present/Present.SEL          Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Past/Past.SEL                Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/GameData/GameData.SEL        Read       Fail
Pinball Prelude      Lock     GamesHD:Pinballprelude/PreludeOCS/                             Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:Pinballprelude/PreludeOCS/Future/Future.SEL            Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:Pinballprelude/PreludeOCS/Present/Present.SEL          Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:Pinballprelude/PreludeOCS/Past/Past.SEL                Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:Pinballprelude/PreludeOCS/GameData/GameData.SEL        Read       Fail
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:Pinballprelude/PreludeOCS/gamedata/select.pic          Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:Pinballprelude/PreludeOCS/gamedata/large.fnt           Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:Pinballprelude/PreludeOCS/gamedata/small.fnt           Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Future/Future.sel            Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Future/Future.hsc            Read       Fail
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Past/Past.sel                Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Past/Past.hsc                Read       Fail
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Present/Present.sel          Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Present/Present.hsc          Read       Fail
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Future/Future.sel            Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Future/Future.hsc            Read       Fail
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Past/Past.sel                Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Past/Past.hsc                Read       Fail
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Present/Present.sel          Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Present/Present.hsc          Read       Fail
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Future/Future.sel            Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Future/Future.hsc            Read       Fail
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Future/Future.md0            Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Future/Future.hsc            Read       Fail
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS                              Read       Fail
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Future/Future.inf            Read       OK  
Pinball Prelude      Open     GamesHD:PINBALLPRELUDE/PreludeOCS/Future/Future.img            Read       OK

Edit: I've now tried the installer as well. The files are indeed different after installation. i installed the AGA version to RAM: and also tried to start this installed game from HD, doesn't worked.

MethodGit · 29 February 2016, 00:01

So, this sounds to me like a poorly compiled executable then? I'll try to look into the code one more time, but other than that we might need to enlist the help of Toni... that or StingRay, or Galahad, or anyone who's already familiar with the game from before really.

Like I said, it has no problem loading the tables in stock CD³² mode (under WinUAE anyway, it seems like SkulleateR is experiencing a different result). I attempted to use the CD³² executable with the AGA datafiles recently - well first off it expects the lowlevel and nonvolatile libraries to exist in Libs: (or from within the CD³²'s extended ROM, natch) or it'll guru before getting to the frontend. Aside from that, though, it too spits out the same error when attempting to load a table. Anyone who's more technologically experienced than I am may try to dissect the CD³² executable and see how it handles loading the data files without issue - it's probably a CD vs HD buffer issue, or something else from the extended ROM that it needs.

AMIGASYSTEM · 29 February 2016, 10:00

I did some tests and I found a very strange thing:

Pinball Prelude ISO starts without problems in CD emulation on CD32

Copy the entire contents of the ISO file on HardFile, the same volume name, same startup-sequence, Pinball Prelude on CD32 you do not start and you get the usual error File Reading

This shows that it is not an executable file problem or data files, with CD32 you get two different results if the game runs from CD or Hardfile; nothing changes if you use .iso instead of .cue

rfancella · 04 March 2016, 16:34

I am trying to get this to run from CD also. Not CD32.
Anyone have any progress on this issue?

Thanks,
Ron

jotd · 04 March 2016, 16:41

I'll look into this.

Toni Wilen · 05 March 2016, 08:48

Quick check result: Game first successfully reads the complete file (Using single dos/Read() call) and then for some unknown reason opens the "error reading file" requester.

Cylon · 05 March 2016, 23:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Quick check result: Game first successfully reads the complete file (Using single dos/Read() call) and then for some unknown reason opens the "error reading file" requester.

Thanks, yes. The installer changes the files, maybe encoding/copy protection. So it is possible the files are being checked for this protection. Perhaps the location(path or starting block on hd) is encoded into the file.

AMIGASYSTEM · 06 March 2016, 01:33

I do not think so would otherwise not have an install?

Did a test booting the game from the Workbench "directly from the CD (no install)"

- A1200 + Floppy WB31 + ISO CD= Error

- A1200 + Floppy WB31 + ISO CD= Error

- CD32 + Floppy WB31 + ISO CD = Game works perfectly

- CD32 + HD (Only Workbench floppy 3.1 installed) + ISO CD (start to CD) = Game works perfectly

- CD32 + HD (Only Workbench floppy 3.1 installed) + ISO CD (start to Hardisk) = Error

- CD32 + HD (expanded) + ISO CD (start to CD) = Error

- CD32 + ISO CD = Game works perfectly

MethodGit · 06 March 2016, 04:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cylon

Thanks, yes. The installer changes the files, maybe encoding/copy protection. So it is possible the files are being checked for this protection. Perhaps the location(path or starting block on hd) is encoded into the file.

I did mention this in my opening post like so...

Quote:

Now I'm aware that the HD-installer typically applies encryption to the data files it copies and ties it to the specified HD path, or even your specific hardware setup (I forget which), so you can't just copy the game to any Amiga you like and run it willy nilly. However, I'm seeing this error pop up literally within the same WB environment, without even resetting first.

Also from the same post...

Quote:

I did hack the installer program previously to disable all encryption attempts and install clean files, but it doesn't seem to make any difference in this case.

MethodGit · 06 March 2016, 04:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

I do not think so would otherwise not have an install?

Did a test booting the game from the Workbench "directly from the CD (no install)"

- A1200 + Floppy WB31 + ISO CD= Error

- A1200 + Floppy WB31 + ISO CD= Error

- CD32 + Floppy WB31 + ISO CD = Game works perfectly

- CD32 + HD (Only Workbench floppy 3.1 installed) + ISO CD (start to CD) = Game works perfectly

- CD32 + HD (Only Workbench floppy 3.1 installed) + ISO CD (start to Hardisk) = Error

- CD32 + HD (expanded) + ISO CD (start to CD) = Error

- CD32 + ISO CD = Game works perfectly

So judging by this report, it looks like the game will only behave properly on a CD³² and only agree to load the data from the disc?

Man, I don't know what the hell's bells Effigy thought they were doing with all this difficult installation+protection conflict gubbins. From my memory the PC version is just as difficult to run correctly, as is Necromantics!

Cylon · 07 March 2016, 20:09

@MethodGit
Yes, i know. I just wanted to confirm, as it happens in my experience too. I checked the files myself. Thanks! :-)

wairnair · 28 October 2019, 19:29

Is there a WHDLoad for the CD32 version? I see only OCS and AGA on the whdload site.

I'd love to play this but the original CD crashes on expanded hardware and the HDD installed version doesn't work and it's OCS/AGA-only anyway.

27 February 2016, 03:28	#1
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 39 Posts: 2,731	Pinball Prelude CD: Can't run this through any Workbench/CLI. (I'm not dead, people! Just so you know.) Okay, so there's this official CD-ROM version of Pinball Prelude that's been floating around for years now. Under the latest WinUAE (3.2.2), it seems to run okay when loaded directly as a CD³² title under a CD³² setup, but there's some added benefit to using the CD within a WB environment as you can choose to run or install the OCS or AGA versions of the game. Only problem atm is that attempting to choose any table from the unique frontend (unique as in it's exclusive to the CD version and the floppy versions don't have it) just quits you back to WB with the following, somewhat unhelpful error: Code: System Request Error Reading File Present/Present.img ABORT Now I'm aware that the HD-installer typically applies encryption to the data files it copies and ties it to the specified HD path, or even your specific hardware setup (I forget which), so you can't just copy the game to any Amiga you like and run it willy nilly. However, I'm seeing this error pop up literally within the same WB environment, without even resetting first. It doesn't matter if I install the full game to HD, or just the executable (to run in conjunction with the CD). I can't even get it to run directly from the damn CD! I tried switching between AmiCDFS and CacheCDFS, and I've tried to run this game both from ClassicWB and from a quickly-made stock WB3.1 setup. It just ain't budging. What's odd is that I swear I got this game to run from HD with no problem before, under a previous version of WinUAE. Can't quite remember how long ago now though, nor the specific WUAE build I was using at the time. At this stage it looks less like an encryption protection trip error and more like it just struggles to acknowledge the contents of the IMG file at the very least, from HD or CD. Seeing as it's not on the File Server (only an unofficial Ninjaw-made ISO which is completely different), I'll just point to the very first googled link to the game in question so Toni et al can dissect the heck out of it. I did hack the installer program previously to disable all encryption attempts and install clean files, but it doesn't seem to make any difference in this case. http://www.emuparadise.me/Amiga_CD32...32-PC%5D/57659

28 February 2016, 00:21	#4
SkulleateR Registered User Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Germany Posts: 325	It´s the same name I downloaded some time ago from ftp and burned to CD ... But since there is no folder named AMIGA it seems to be different ... //UPDATE : This is odd, I downloaded your ISO and this cannot even be started on my CD32 or my A1200 ... Allways get NO AGA CHIPSET ???? Last edited by SkulleateR; 28 February 2016 at 00:41.

06 March 2016, 01:33	#15
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	I do not think so would otherwise not have an install? Did a test booting the game from the Workbench "directly from the CD (no install)" - A1200 + Floppy WB31 + ISO CD= Error - A1200 + Floppy WB31 + ISO CD= Error - CD32 + Floppy WB31 + ISO CD = Game works perfectly - CD32 + HD (Only Workbench floppy 3.1 installed) + ISO CD (start to CD) = Game works perfectly - CD32 + HD (Only Workbench floppy 3.1 installed) + ISO CD (start to Hardisk) = Error - CD32 + HD (expanded) + ISO CD (start to CD) = Error - CD32 + ISO CD = Game works perfectly Last edited by AMIGASYSTEM; 27 May 2016 at 20:52.

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28 February 2016, 00:00	#2
SkulleateR Registered User Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Germany Posts: 325	I´ve played this from time to time on my CD32 .... just for the interest : Where do you find any HD install option ??? When inserted to WB I can only start PRELUDE and then can do a choice of PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE ... no more options !

28 February 2016, 00:08	#3
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 39 Posts: 2,731	If you browse the CD through WB you should find a folder named "AMIGA". Inside there are the three "PRELUDE" folders relating to OCS, AGA and CD³² versions. Inside each folder is the "Pinball Prelude" executable and the "Install" executable. You are using the same CD version as what I linked to, right?

28 February 2016, 15:08	#5
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	And you can't even use the OCS version as it looks for present.hsc & past.hsc, which isn't even on the CD or on the HD Install.

28 February 2016, 18:54	#7
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	I copied the .hsc files from the WHDLoad version but now it's looking for Gamedata/gamedata.sel, which isn't anywhere to be found.

29 February 2016, 00:01	#9
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 39 Posts: 2,731	So, this sounds to me like a poorly compiled executable then? I'll try to look into the code one more time, but other than that we might need to enlist the help of Toni... that or StingRay, or Galahad, or anyone who's already familiar with the game from before really. Like I said, it has no problem loading the tables in stock CD³² mode (under WinUAE anyway, it seems like SkulleateR is experiencing a different result). I attempted to use the CD³² executable with the AGA datafiles recently - well first off it expects the lowlevel and nonvolatile libraries to exist in Libs: (or from within the CD³²'s extended ROM, natch) or it'll guru before getting to the frontend. Aside from that, though, it too spits out the same error when attempting to load a table. Anyone who's more technologically experienced than I am may try to dissect the CD³² executable and see how it handles loading the data files without issue - it's probably a CD vs HD buffer issue, or something else from the extended ROM that it needs.

29 February 2016, 10:00	#10
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	I did some tests and I found a very strange thing: Pinball Prelude ISO starts without problems in CD emulation on CD32 Copy the entire contents of the ISO file on HardFile, the same volume name, same startup-sequence, Pinball Prelude on CD32 you do not start and you get the usual error File Reading This shows that it is not an executable file problem or data files, with CD32 you get two different results if the game runs from CD or Hardfile; nothing changes if you use .iso instead of .cue

04 March 2016, 16:34	#11
rfancella Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Clay Center, KS USA Age: 60 Posts: 101	I am trying to get this to run from CD also. Not CD32. Anyone have any progress on this issue? Thanks, Ron

04 March 2016, 16:41	#12
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,160	I'll look into this.

05 March 2016, 08:48	#13
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Quick check result: Game first successfully reads the complete file (Using single dos/Read() call) and then for some unknown reason opens the "error reading file" requester.

07 March 2016, 20:09	#18
Cylon Registered User Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Europe Posts: 470	@MethodGit Yes, i know. I just wanted to confirm, as it happens in my experience too. I checked the files myself. Thanks! :-)

28 October 2019, 19:29	#19
wairnair Registered User Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Budapest Posts: 355	Is there a WHDLoad for the CD32 version? I see only OCS and AGA on the whdload site. I'd love to play this but the original CD crashes on expanded hardware and the HDD installed version doesn't work and it's OCS/AGA-only anyway.

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