SANA device for WinUAE

14 September 2007, 13:04

Hi out there,

I need to run Envoy on my new laptop. Envoy asks for a SANA-II device driver which I cannot give him as WinUAE does not support this yet. Can you please add a SANA-II device that is redirected to Windows' networking driver, a wrapper or something like that?

Toni Wilen · 14 September 2007, 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canavaro

Hi out there,

I need to run Envoy on my new laptop. Envoy asks for a SANA-II device driver which I cannot give him as WinUAE does not support this yet. Can you please add a SANA-II device that is redirected to Windows' networking driver, a wrapper or something like that?

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=313989&postcount=10

-> Amiga-side is easy. Windows side is the problem.

14 September 2007, 18:18

Maybe ask the network pro's Olaf Barthel, Heinz Wrobel for that or take a look at the new as source released VMware tools? Maybe they give some insight on how to do it.

Doc Mindie · 21 September 2007, 16:51

Dear Tony, I've searched the 'net for some "free virtual computers"`alà VMWare and VPC, and I've found this which is for VirtualBox (looks kinda like a dosbox project, except it's a full emulator.

Now, it comes with complete sourcecode, and I was hoping you might be interested in having a look at how they've implemented the network side, with the intention (at least of mine) to look at the possibility for a "UAEnet.device" type driver....

I will of course humbly worship you, whatever your decision.

Toni Wilen · 02 October 2007, 13:06

Yeah, something like that is needed but I am not interested in browsing some random sourcecode without more information/documentation.

OpenVPN also includes similar driver but it is not 64-bit Windows compatible.

EDIT: information/documentation = Windows-side implementation details. Amiga-side won't be a problem.

Doc Mindie · 02 October 2007, 23:48

When I think about it, we already got a bsdsocket "throughport" thing.... how hard would it be making a dummy.device that redirects to the bsdsocket part?

Toni Wilen · 03 October 2007, 07:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc Mindie

When I think about it, we already got a bsdsocket "throughport" thing.... how hard would it be making a dummy.device that redirects to the bsdsocket part?

bsdsocket emulation is using higher level protocols than network card/device emulation.

Doc Mindie · 03 October 2007, 13:04

ahhh. So it's the dummy driver needed under windows that "uaenet.device" is to connect to you want.

I'll be on the lookout for something.... with some luck, it might turn up

thor · 03 October 2007, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

OpenVPN also includes similar driver

Close, VirtualBox uses the the TAP driver from OpenVPN, as coLinux does it as well for example

Quote:

but it is not 64-bit Windows compatible.

You sure it's still the case as the changelog says it works now (in 2.1 rc's), can't test as I'm not using 64bit yet

Toni Wilen · 03 October 2007, 15:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by thor

Close, VirtualBox uses the the TAP driver from OpenVPN, as coLinux does it as well for example

You sure it's still the case as the changelog says it works now (in 2.1 rc's), can't test as I'm not using 64bit yet

I only checked latest official release version's changelog.. This looks good..

Toni Wilen · 03 October 2007, 16:50

TAP-Win32 driver installs and seems to work fine in 64-bit Vista. Virtual ethernet adapter appeared in Windows network device list.

One problem left.. I can't find any TAP-Win32 driver documentation ("SDK"). Of course there are openvpn sources but..

Sana2 <> TAP mapping looks easy but I guess it is too early to say..

thor · 03 October 2007, 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

One problem left.. I can't find any TAP-Win32 driver documentation ("SDK"). Of course there are openvpn sources

...and coLinux sources and VirtualBox sources...

I don't think there's any documentation (at least I haven't found one either). One reason is probably that it was always bundled to form a complete package (originally CIPE-Win32 (no docs there too) where this driver is based on, then OpenVPN) and not really intended as a component that is used by many other programs. Secondly, you know how being a developer and writing documentation fit together...

Toni Wilen · 03 October 2007, 19:06

I think the missing documentation part is solved.

Time to start experimenting soon..

Doc Mindie · 03 October 2007, 19:17

Ooooh...... *gets excited*

Toni, you're my (experimental) God

gdhgdh · 13 October 2007, 12:22

Wow, real SANA2 support for WinUAE would be intensely cool - a proper routable address (daemons, anyone?

rather than the masqueraded bsdsocket.library

))

Doc Mindie · 13 October 2007, 18:42

Or doing networked internet with Nutscrape through Shapeshifter :waggle

meesa excitedsa :P

Toni Wilen · 13 October 2007, 19:46

Random status report: not much new, unfortunately Half Life 2 Episode 2 and Portal has priority

Toni Wilen · 10 November 2007, 23:09

CMD_READ and S2_READORPHAN now work, TAP-driver seems to receive correct looking ethernet frames.

Simple sana2-dumping programs also seem to work now.

Writing and statistics commands to do before it is usable.

Toni Wilen · 11 November 2007, 16:49

"Working" emulation included in 1450b11. Maybe..

alexh · 11 November 2007, 19:02

Lets just hope that Crysis and Assassin's Creed dont eat too much of your time

14 September 2007, 13:04	#1
Canavaro Posts: n/a	SANA device for WinUAE Hi out there, I need to run Envoy on my new laptop. Envoy asks for a SANA-II device driver which I cannot give him as WinUAE does not support this yet. Can you please add a SANA-II device that is redirected to Windows' networking driver, a wrapper or something like that?

02 October 2007, 13:06	#5
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Yeah, something like that is needed but I am not interested in browsing some random sourcecode without more information/documentation. OpenVPN also includes similar driver but it is not 64-bit Windows compatible. EDIT: information/documentation = Windows-side implementation details. Amiga-side won't be a problem. Last edited by Toni Wilen; 02 October 2007 at 13:16.

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14 September 2007, 18:18	#3
Canavaro Posts: n/a	Maybe ask the network pro's Olaf Barthel, Heinz Wrobel for that or take a look at the new as source released VMware tools? Maybe they give some insight on how to do it.

21 September 2007, 16:51	#4
Doc Mindie In deep Trouble Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manchester, Made in Norway Age: 51 Posts: 841	Dear Tony, I've searched the 'net for some "free virtual computers"`alà VMWare and VPC, and I've found this which is for VirtualBox (looks kinda like a dosbox project, except it's a full emulator. Now, it comes with complete sourcecode, and I was hoping you might be interested in having a look at how they've implemented the network side, with the intention (at least of mine) to look at the possibility for a "UAEnet.device" type driver.... I will of course humbly worship you, whatever your decision.

02 October 2007, 23:48	#6
Doc Mindie In deep Trouble Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manchester, Made in Norway Age: 51 Posts: 841	When I think about it, we already got a bsdsocket "throughport" thing.... how hard would it be making a dummy.device that redirects to the bsdsocket part?

03 October 2007, 13:04	#8
Doc Mindie In deep Trouble Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manchester, Made in Norway Age: 51 Posts: 841	ahhh. So it's the dummy driver needed under windows that "uaenet.device" is to connect to you want. I'll be on the lookout for something.... with some luck, it might turn up

03 October 2007, 16:50	#11
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	TAP-Win32 driver installs and seems to work fine in 64-bit Vista. Virtual ethernet adapter appeared in Windows network device list. One problem left.. I can't find any TAP-Win32 driver documentation ("SDK"). Of course there are openvpn sources but.. Sana2 <> TAP mapping looks easy but I guess it is too early to say..

03 October 2007, 19:06	#13
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	I think the missing documentation part is solved. Time to start experimenting soon..

03 October 2007, 19:17	#14
Doc Mindie In deep Trouble Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manchester, Made in Norway Age: 51 Posts: 841	Ooooh...... gets excited Toni, you're my (experimental) God

13 October 2007, 12:22	#15
gdhgdh Button pusher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chorley, UK Age: 47 Posts: 44	Wow, real SANA2 support for WinUAE would be intensely cool - a proper routable address (daemons, anyone? rather than the masqueraded bsdsocket.library ))

13 October 2007, 18:42	#16
Doc Mindie In deep Trouble Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manchester, Made in Norway Age: 51 Posts: 841	Or doing networked internet with Nutscrape through Shapeshifter :waggle meesa excitedsa :P

13 October 2007, 19:46	#17
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Random status report: not much new, unfortunately Half Life 2 Episode 2 and Portal has priority

10 November 2007, 23:09	#18
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	CMD_READ and S2_READORPHAN now work, TAP-driver seems to receive correct looking ethernet frames. Simple sana2-dumping programs also seem to work now. Writing and statistics commands to do before it is usable.

11 November 2007, 16:49	#19
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	"Working" emulation included in 1450b11. Maybe..

11 November 2007, 19:02	#20
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	Lets just hope that Crysis and Assassin's Creed dont eat too much of your time

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