Amiga Action Blues Brothers CD - Page 6

Galahad/FLT · 08 March 2021, 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

this game uses real files, hidden in the MFM tracks.

No it doesn't.

REAL files is what is present on an AmigaDOS disk, hence on some WHDLoad installs, if its described as being installed as REAL files, it means the disk format has been understood and turned into REAL files.

Blues Brothers uses a custom MFM format that has its own custom file structure which bears ZERO relation to how AmigaDOS stores its file information.

dlfrsilver · 08 March 2021, 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

No it doesn't.

REAL files is what is present on an AmigaDOS disk, hence on some WHDLoad installs, if its described as being installed as REAL files, it means the disk format has been understood and turned into REAL files.

Blues Brothers uses a custom MFM format that has its own custom file structure which bears ZERO relation to how AmigaDOS stores its file information.

yes. But to turn a game into real files, you need to have the names in a file name table. This is the case for Blues Brothers.

Galahad/FLT · 08 March 2021, 23:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

yes. But to turn a game into real files, you need to have the names in a file name table. This is the case for Blues Brothers.

No you don't.

Go check out my crack for Stryx, or checkout the whdload install for Nightbreed Interactive movie or Spellbound.

Now go try finding those filenames in a file table lol

dlfrsilver · 09 March 2021, 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

No you don't.

Go check out my crack for Stryx, or checkout the whdload install for Nightbreed Interactive movie or Spellbound.

Now go try finding those filenames in a file table lol

in whdload :

version 1.2 (23.11.2017) done by StingRay:
- patch uses REAL FILES now, game has to be reinstalled (RawDIC 5.0 required)

Game real files hidden in the original disk list :

ALMOST
BASSDRUM
BIGBASS1
BLUES.LBM
BRASS
CHOIX.LBM
CONCERT.BIN
CONCERT.BLK
CONCERT.TBL
DEMO1.BIN
DEMO2.BIN
DEMO3.BIN
EGOU.M
EGOUT.BIN
EGOUT.BLK
EGOUT.TBL
ELECBAS1
ENNEMI1
ENNEMI2
ENNEMI3
ENNEMI4
ENNEMI5
ENNEMI6
ENT.BLK
ENT.M
ENT.TBL
ENTREPO.BIN
EVERY
GUITSOL1
GUNN
HARDMAJ1
HHG2
HHOPEN1
HHOPEN2
INTER.LBM
MAG.BLK
MAG.M
MAG.TBL
MAGASIN.BIN
MAIN.PRG
MUTGUIT1
OBJET
PIANOHI1
PRIS.M
PRISON.BIN
PRISON.BLK
PRISON.TBL
SCORE
SHOT
SNARE1
SNARE2
SOUND
SPRITE
VILLE.BIN
VILLE.BLK
VILLE.M
VILLE.TBL

On Amiga Titus choosed to hide them in order to do trackloading. But on Atari ST and PC you can see them not hidden.

Stingray has not invented the filenames, he took them from a file name table.

Galahad/FLT · 09 March 2021, 12:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

in whdload :

version 1.2 (23.11.2017) done by StingRay:
- patch uses REAL FILES now, game has to be reinstalled (RawDIC 5.0 required)

Game real files hidden in the original disk list :

ALMOST
BASSDRUM
BIGBASS1
BLUES.LBM
BRASS
CHOIX.LBM
CONCERT.BIN
CONCERT.BLK
CONCERT.TBL
DEMO1.BIN
DEMO2.BIN
DEMO3.BIN
EGOU.M
EGOUT.BIN
EGOUT.BLK
EGOUT.TBL
ELECBAS1
ENNEMI1
ENNEMI2
ENNEMI3
ENNEMI4
ENNEMI5
ENNEMI6
ENT.BLK
ENT.M
ENT.TBL
ENTREPO.BIN
EVERY
GUITSOL1
GUNN
HARDMAJ1
HHG2
HHOPEN1
HHOPEN2
INTER.LBM
MAG.BLK
MAG.M
MAG.TBL
MAGASIN.BIN
MAIN.PRG
MUTGUIT1
OBJET
PIANOHI1
PRIS.M
PRISON.BIN
PRISON.BLK
PRISON.TBL
SCORE
SHOT
SNARE1
SNARE2
SOUND
SPRITE
VILLE.BIN
VILLE.BLK
VILLE.M
VILLE.TBL

On Amiga Titus choosed to hide them in order to do trackloading. But on Atari ST and PC you can see them not hidden.

Stingray has not invented the filenames, he took them from a file name table.

Jesus wept, its like pulling teeth with you sometimes!

You claimed "this game uses real files hidden in the MFM".

It doesn't.

Those "files" carry ZERO information to describe themselves to AmigaDOS.

Take away the filename table and simply reference the list of sector start and size variables and you've got the same disk system without filenames in a table.

You might as well say that ANY sector/track loading game has "hidden files in the disk format", your description can describe ALL games in that case, which then negates the meaning by turning something INTO real files.

My point is you do NOT need a list of filenames to turn an mfm disk format into files that AmigaDOS can now interact with.

The Titus system along with most other custom formats carry on the most basic of information and they don't become actual files until they exist independently where AmigaDOS understands them.

dlfrsilver · 09 March 2021, 13:00

Quote:

My point is you do NOT need a list of filenames to turn an mfm disk format into files that AmigaDOS can now interact with.

I think the problem is a terminology problem :

Of course, I was simply pointing out real names of the files. Some games likes Stryx, Carcharodon, have been filed but have no real filename.

The trackloading routine of course needs sector start sector end references to know where each file is on a disk.

Everything you say is correct, but it was not what i was talking about.

Hence the mismatch of understanding.

Galahad/FLT · 09 March 2021, 13:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

I think the problem is a terminology problem :

Of course, I was simply pointing out real names of the files. Some games likes Stryx, Carcharodon, have been filed but have no real filename.

The trackloading routine of course needs sector start sector end references to know where each file is on a disk.

Everything you say is correct, but it was not what i was talking about.

Hence the mismatch of understanding.

Do you know what Denis? That sounds entirely reasonable

ItsTheSmell · 05 April 2021, 23:27

Where can i find a cracked version of PowerCopy? it isnt on Aminet

DamienD · 06 April 2021, 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItsTheSmell

Where can i find a cracked version of PowerCopy? it isnt on Aminet

Is it not on the Amiga File Server?

Use this URL to search.

ItsTheSmell · 03 May 2021, 02:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

Yes. it would make things easier.

because my pcmcia slot has stopped working on both my a1200s I havent been able to sort this out. So instead ive bought a greaseweazle f7 lightning plus.

Can one of you explain what i need to do to get it onto the dsc. The raw file is 3mb so i cannot just rip it to disc using GW.

Ive lost my original CF reader and CF card that I know works. I bought 2 cf cards on ebay, one wasnt recognised and the other had bad blocks so i returned them and the seller ripped me off. So ive resorted to the GW.

lesta_smsc · 03 May 2021, 09:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItsTheSmell

because my pcmcia slot has stopped working on both my a1200s I havent been able to sort this out. So instead ive bought a greaseweazle f7 lightning plus.

Can one of you explain what i need to do to get it onto the dsc. The raw file is 3mb so i cannot just rip it to disc using GW.

Ive lost my original CF reader and CF card that I know works. I bought 2 cf cards on ebay, one wasnt recognised and the other had bad blocks so i returned them and the seller ripped me off. So ive resorted to the GW.

Get Greaseweazle GUI. It will simplify use without needing to do command line.

You can write ADF and IPF images back to disk. I think the IPF was linked earlier.

ItsTheSmell · 03 May 2021, 21:36

it looks like the ipf file has gone from the zone as it is over 60 days ago. the version of the game i have is an adf but its 1900kb so it wont fit on my disc. GW says bad adf image.

DamienD · 03 May 2021, 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItsTheSmell

it looks like the ipf file has gone from the zone as it is over 60 days ago.

Any files put in The Zone! get automatically uploaded to the Amiga File Server

Look here for what you're after: ftp://grandis.nu/TheZone/files/

ItsTheSmell · 03 May 2021, 21:49

Thanks Damien, I have a copy of the .lxz file but i cant get it onto my amiga so i cant uncompress it. this is too difficult. Ill wait until the new cf card arrives this week and see if it works with my 1200. Itll be a piece of piss then.

BarryB · 04 May 2021, 00:09

I've uploaded the IPF I made from Galahad's cracked loader to the Zone! Just write it back to a disk with your Greaseweazle!

ItsTheSmell · 04 May 2021, 01:39

I keep getting unrecognised arguments COM3, which is the GW usb connection.
I launched the GUI in Admin mode. Ive tried a pc floppy drive and a amiga teac drive.

BarryB · 09 May 2021, 16:30

Have you tried the command line?

I've just successfully written/read back the IPF to a floppy disk! Wrote and read back with a Sony MPF920, Panasonic JU-257A and a Mitsumi D359M3. Checked the dump in Disk-Utilities and it resolved back to a working IPF!

Used these commands:

Write:
gw seek 0
gw write "The Blues Brothers.ipf" --tracks=c=0-83
gw seek 0

Read:
gw seek 0
gw read Blues\Blues_.raw --tracks=c=0-83
gw seek 0

The 'gw seek 0' command sends the head back to track 0 rather than leave it parked on whatever last track the drive read! I also chose to read raw tracks rather than to SCP format, i'm more used to this format having used a Kryoflux for years!

I also created a batch file so you can drag/drop an IPF onto it to write back, put these commands into a .bat file:
@gw delays --step 9000
gw seek 0
@gw write %* --tracks=c=0-83
gw seek 0

The 'delays' command just makes the head movement smoother when used with the 'seek' command!

ItsTheSmell · 09 May 2021, 22:04

I have one of the Sony drives you used so I'll give this a try tomorrow.

ItsTheSmell · 10 May 2021, 01:46

I must have it set up incorrectly cos its not working.

My floppy drive is on the twisted end of the cable and the greaseweazel is at the other end. Windows see's GW as a serial device COM3. The usb B on the GW is connected to the pc via usb A.

How do i launch the command line so that it sees the gw files?

Where did you store the ipf file on your computer as your instructions dont give it a location.

BarryB · 10 May 2021, 19:08

Your setup appears fine, but ensure PIN 1 on the cable connectors are going to PIN 1 on the Drive/GW! USB cable is a standard 'printer' type USB, square end/flat end! Do you power the drive from GW or an external PSU like I do?

To open a CMD prompt, click 'start' button and type in 'CMD' and click 'open' to run it then navigate to the folder where the GW files are then issue a 'gw info' command as that will tell if it's connected correctly by showing you the version of GW you have! The IPF can be anywhere you like as long as you tell GW the full path to it, but it's easier to put it in the same folder as GW so you can just pass the filename to GW!

If you are using Windows 10 that has a driver already installed, Windows 7/8 need the driver manually installing!!

10 May 2021, 01:46	#119
ItsTheSmell Registered User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: New Ferry Posts: 516	not working I must have it set up incorrectly cos its not working. My floppy drive is on the twisted end of the cable and the greaseweazel is at the other end. Windows see's GW as a serial device COM3. The usb B on the GW is connected to the pc via usb A. How do i launch the command line so that it sees the gw files? Where did you store the ipf file on your computer as your instructions dont give it a location.

10 May 2021, 19:08	#120
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,676	Your setup appears fine, but ensure PIN 1 on the cable connectors are going to PIN 1 on the Drive/GW! USB cable is a standard 'printer' type USB, square end/flat end! Do you power the drive from GW or an external PSU like I do? To open a CMD prompt, click 'start' button and type in 'CMD' and click 'open' to run it then navigate to the folder where the GW files are then issue a 'gw info' command as that will tell if it's connected correctly by showing you the version of GW you have! The IPF can be anywhere you like as long as you tell GW the full path to it, but it's easier to put it in the same folder as GW so you can just pass the filename to GW! If you are using Windows 10 that has a driver already installed, Windows 7/8 need the driver manually installing!! Last edited by BarryB; 10 May 2021 at 19:16.

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05 April 2021, 23:27	#108
ItsTheSmell Registered User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: New Ferry Posts: 516	Where can i find a cracked version of PowerCopy? it isnt on Aminet

03 May 2021, 21:36	#112
ItsTheSmell Registered User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: New Ferry Posts: 516	it looks like the ipf file has gone from the zone as it is over 60 days ago. the version of the game i have is an adf but its 1900kb so it wont fit on my disc. GW says bad adf image.

03 May 2021, 21:49	#114
ItsTheSmell Registered User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: New Ferry Posts: 516	Thanks Damien, I have a copy of the .lxz file but i cant get it onto my amiga so i cant uncompress it. this is too difficult. Ill wait until the new cf card arrives this week and see if it works with my 1200. Itll be a piece of piss then.

04 May 2021, 00:09	#115
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,676	I've uploaded the IPF I made from Galahad's cracked loader to the Zone! Just write it back to a disk with your Greaseweazle!

04 May 2021, 01:39	#116
ItsTheSmell Registered User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: New Ferry Posts: 516	I keep getting unrecognised arguments COM3, which is the GW usb connection. I launched the GUI in Admin mode. Ive tried a pc floppy drive and a amiga teac drive.

09 May 2021, 16:30	#117
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,676	Have you tried the command line? I've just successfully written/read back the IPF to a floppy disk! Wrote and read back with a Sony MPF920, Panasonic JU-257A and a Mitsumi D359M3. Checked the dump in Disk-Utilities and it resolved back to a working IPF! Used these commands: Write: gw seek 0 gw write "The Blues Brothers.ipf" --tracks=c=0-83 gw seek 0 Read: gw seek 0 gw read Blues\Blues_.raw --tracks=c=0-83 gw seek 0 The 'gw seek 0' command sends the head back to track 0 rather than leave it parked on whatever last track the drive read! I also chose to read raw tracks rather than to SCP format, i'm more used to this format having used a Kryoflux for years! I also created a batch file so you can drag/drop an IPF onto it to write back, put these commands into a .bat file: @gw delays --step 9000 gw seek 0 @gw write %* --tracks=c=0-83 gw seek 0 The 'delays' command just makes the head movement smoother when used with the 'seek' command!

09 May 2021, 22:04	#118
ItsTheSmell Registered User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: New Ferry Posts: 516	I have one of the Sony drives you used so I'll give this a try tomorrow.

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