WTB: Amiga Developer CD or Devcon ISO9660 Tool Floppy

[xArtx]

Hi Guys
If anyone has the Amiga Developer CD to get rid of, I’m on the lookout!
They’ve been unavailable for over a month. Any version will do.

There’s also a Commodore floppy disk out there called ISO9660 Tools that
was in a white folder of four floppies, and given out at devcon conventions.
The four disk folder was an update particularly for CD32 and/or CDTV.
One contains ISO Builder and the CD32 & CDTV tm files which would also do.
Cheers, Art.

[thomas]

An ISO of the ADCD is on the EAB file server.

The CD32 and CDTV development kits can be downloaded from the "Entwickler" section of www.cd32-allianz.de.

[xArtx]

Hi Thomas, I have the content already of everything I’m asking for,
just looking for some original Commodore (or Hyperion or whoever) lisence,
particularly for the CD32/CDTV tm files.
I’m assuming once you had the ISO builder tool with the tm files,
you were allowed to publish software with it.
Also assuming some company still owns and cares about these files.

[xArtx]

They have just become available, so I can pull the plug on this one

[Amiga1992]

Originally Posted by xArtx

They have just become available, so I can pull the plug on this one

Where, how? I missed this.

By the way buying the CD didn't give you access to the files, you had to sign a license agreement with Commodore to be able to use them. Same if you wanted to use ANY commands present in workbench disks with CDs (like more, dir, mount, etc).

So has this been voided already somehow?

[mark_k]

Also, wouldn't Commodore have required a per-unit royalty be paid on discs sold? (Enforceable by having to include the copyrighted CDTV.TM file on the disc.)

[Amiga1992]

Originally Posted by mark_k

Also, wouldn't Commodore have required a per-unit royalty be paid on discs sold? (Enforceable by having to include the copyrighted CDTV.TM file on the disc.)

From what I read in the official dev CD docs, no. They just wanted you to register if you were going to distribute. I'm really not sure how it actually worked, the official docs are sparse on details of the process and I haven't found online any recollection of how this used to work. Would be great to hear from someone who went through the process back then.

[xArtx]

Yes I have thought about that, but buying a real OS 3.1 and Dev CD,
is about all one seems to be able to do in this time.
If ever it came to any serious program intended to stick around,
perhaps Cloanto could do something for that.
The CD32 Demo CD Version 2 is also a Workbench 3.1 CD, and has CD32(tm).

[Amiga1992]

Originally Posted by xArtx

Yes I have thought about that, but buying a real OS 3.1 and Dev CD, is about all one seems to be able to do in this time.

The whole thing is ridiculous to worry about. Acquiring the files in any way does not in any way enter you into an agreement nobody can any longer sign. So just download them from wherever and have fun using them.

[mark_k]

Originally Posted by Akira

From what I read in the official dev CD docs, no. They just wanted you to register if you were going to distribute. I'm really not sure how it actually worked, the official docs are sparse on details of the process and I haven't found online any recollection of how this used to work. Would be great to hear from someone who went through the process back then.

Commodore did require a per-unit royalty. I'm sure they looked at the game console licensing model and wanted to emulate that, rather than only make money on hardware sales.

I found a newsgroup thread mentioning that:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...w/iwCbES3RWC8J
"You will also need to sign up for the CD-ROM program, once you are a developer. You will get license information (You have to pay commodore a license fee for every disk produced, but it is VERY reasonable.) You will receive some software tools necessary for the creation of a CD-ROM image file, and CDXL video/sound files."

Probably most discussion and documentation about that was offline, or maybe on the private CBM BIX developer conference?

[Amiga1992]

Originally Posted by mark_k

Commodore did require a per-unit royalty. I'm sure they looked at the game console licensing model and wanted to emulate that, rather than only make money on hardware sales.

I found a newsgroup thread mentioning that:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...w/iwCbES3RWC8J
"You will also need to sign up for the CD-ROM program, once you are a developer. You will get license information (You have to pay commodore a license fee for every disk produced, but it is VERY reasonable.) You will receive some software tools necessary for the creation of a CD-ROM image file, and CDXL video/sound files."

Probably most discussion and documentation about that was offline, or maybe on the private CBM BIX developer conference?

Thanks for this clarification Mark, much appreciated.
The licensing text file in the dev tools disc is really ambiguous and doesn't give much detail, leaving it up for interpretation.

[xArtx]

It is ridiculous that anyone should worry about making a program for decades old computers,
but there are many different opinions. There are people out there who still care about these files,
and if you can distribute some files from Workbench, then why not the whole Workbench, or the ROMs?
It’s all the same thing.
I’m not talking about just using the files myself, but distribution if I were to write any program that needed OS files.

It was worth shooting off an email to know.