3.1 roms/slow boot question

keitha1200 · 22 July 2012, 00:11

Weird question:

Why is a 1200 with 3.1 roms, a slow booter? unlike every other rom version

It's an answer I've never found or understood

Is it because the 3.1 roms were designed for the CD32?

Azryl · 22 July 2012, 00:23

I believe there was a delay fix to the KS3.1 Rom too allow slow spin up IDE laptop style harddrives to boot properly. Under KS3.0 some machines needed a cntrl-amiga-amiga reset to warm start the computer before it could access the internal IDE harddrive.

Az

bdb · 22 July 2012, 17:05

It is a delay to let hard drive spin up of around 40 seconds that did not occur with the 3.0 ROMs

Methanoid · 22 July 2012, 17:53

Is there a fix for it or a patched 3.1 that could be written to Eproms?

bdb · 22 July 2012, 20:30

Well are you up to building you own Boot ROMs and burning them?

Methanoid · 22 July 2012, 21:07

No but I know a man with an Eprom burner

rampartsagain · 22 July 2012, 22:30

disassembling roms is a kind of boring step-by-step procedures i am with that question for a personal rom and i am noob on totalcomander under the split rom question ,but the rom a600 and the a1200 3.1 suffer for that issue if you don´t have hd installed.

bdb · 22 July 2012, 23:30

It's not as simple as splitting a rom into modules, combining the ones you think will work, and burning them into EPROMs. Just go ahead and start working on it and even with following a step-by-step guide, it's not like assembling your child's Christmas bicycle; I've been burning ROM since 1985 and the process is daunting. I thought, oh no big deal, but it turned out to be a pain in the butt and every time your Amy crashes you aren't sure if you did everything right. I finally went back to the philosophy that says, "the more I patch, the more likely I crash." Even now I "play" combining OS 4.1 kernels, but I would let NASA depend on my Amy for supporting telemetry in a rocket launch

altcomputing · 23 July 2012, 09:40

Easiest way to get rid of this delay is to install a hard drive...

Bamiga2002 · 23 July 2012, 10:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by altcomputing

Easiest way to get rid of this delay is to install a hard drive...

Or cutting the red line on the IDE-cable.

Jope · 23 July 2012, 10:57

Or plug in an ide killer.

Methanoid · 23 July 2012, 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by altcomputing

Easiest way to get rid of this delay is to install a hard drive...

Yeah I forgot that... I noticed the horrendous delay when I was installing my system but it went away when my IDE CF was in place

bdb · 24 July 2012, 02:16

I've tried the hard drive and now have a CF card, used the resistor pack from Amigakit but not cut line 1 on the cable; regardless there is still a 20 - 30 sec boot delay, worse if the BB2 Amiga ROM Update re-boots you a second time; with OS 4.1 hard and soft boots it is a quicker process and I use about a half-dozen tricks to dual boot between both OS's. When I was soft booting a hand selected 3.9 ROM I could get a faster re-boot when it didn't crash and eat itself. That was unpredictable and why I gave up. Most of my work is done in OS 4.1 now

Jope · 24 July 2012, 06:16

Is the last unit bit set in the RDB if your cf card is the only unit on the bus?

bdb · 29 July 2012, 04:51

Yes

kipper2k · 29 July 2012, 05:06

2 options to remove the waiting time on booting 3.1 when no HDD installed is to install a jumper across pins 3, 5 and 39 with resistors. (I think Amigakit has them, or you can use one of my CF - IDE cards and leave the jumpers on.

duga · 29 July 2012, 11:19

Or change to 3.0 if you just use floppys.

bdb · 29 July 2012, 16:31

I just use 4.1

rampartsagain · 29 July 2012, 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdb

It's not as simple as splitting a rom into modules, combining the ones you think will work, and burning them into EPROMs. Just go ahead and start working on it and even with following a step-by-step guide, it's not like assembling your child's Christmas bicycle; I've been burning ROM since 1985 and the process is daunting. I thought, oh no big deal, but it turned out to be a pain in the butt and every time your Amy crashes you aren't sure if you did everything right. I finally went back to the philosophy that says, "the more I patch, the more likely I crash." Even now I "play" combining OS 4.1 kernels, but I would let NASA depend on my Amy for supporting telemetry in a rocket launch

well for that use swap byte and try it over winuae

if doesn´t work back to assembler again,about the nasa thaey like fake stuffs or not so clear with some government undercover .

is there an ide killer?
i just thought there was an df0: killer.

bdb · 29 July 2012, 23:39

What?

22 July 2012, 00:11	#1
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22 July 2012, 00:23	#2
Azryl Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Benalla, North East Vic Posts: 31	I believe there was a delay fix to the KS3.1 Rom too allow slow spin up IDE laptop style harddrives to boot properly. Under KS3.0 some machines needed a cntrl-amiga-amiga reset to warm start the computer before it could access the internal IDE harddrive. Az

22 July 2012, 17:05	#3
bdb Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: USA Posts: 242	It is a delay to let hard drive spin up of around 40 seconds that did not occur with the 3.0 ROMs

22 July 2012, 17:53	#4
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,874	Is there a fix for it or a patched 3.1 that could be written to Eproms?

22 July 2012, 20:30	#5
bdb Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: USA Posts: 242	Well are you up to building you own Boot ROMs and burning them?

22 July 2012, 21:07	#6
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,874	No but I know a man with an Eprom burner

22 July 2012, 22:30	#7
rampartsagain Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Location: Porto/Portugal Posts: 385	disassembling roms is a kind of boring step-by-step procedures i am with that question for a personal rom and i am noob on totalcomander under the split rom question ,but the rom a600 and the a1200 3.1 suffer for that issue if you don´t have hd installed.

22 July 2012, 23:30	#8
bdb Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: USA Posts: 242	It's not as simple as splitting a rom into modules, combining the ones you think will work, and burning them into EPROMs. Just go ahead and start working on it and even with following a step-by-step guide, it's not like assembling your child's Christmas bicycle; I've been burning ROM since 1985 and the process is daunting. I thought, oh no big deal, but it turned out to be a pain in the butt and every time your Amy crashes you aren't sure if you did everything right. I finally went back to the philosophy that says, "the more I patch, the more likely I crash." Even now I "play" combining OS 4.1 kernels, but I would let NASA depend on my Amy for supporting telemetry in a rocket launch

23 July 2012, 09:40	#9
altcomputing MC68060@85MHz Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Poland/Wroclaw Age: 38 Posts: 76	Easiest way to get rid of this delay is to install a hard drive...

23 July 2012, 10:57	#11
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,910	Or plug in an ide killer.

24 July 2012, 02:16	#13
bdb Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: USA Posts: 242	I've tried the hard drive and now have a CF card, used the resistor pack from Amigakit but not cut line 1 on the cable; regardless there is still a 20 - 30 sec boot delay, worse if the BB2 Amiga ROM Update re-boots you a second time; with OS 4.1 hard and soft boots it is a quicker process and I use about a half-dozen tricks to dual boot between both OS's. When I was soft booting a hand selected 3.9 ROM I could get a faster re-boot when it didn't crash and eat itself. That was unpredictable and why I gave up. Most of my work is done in OS 4.1 now

24 July 2012, 06:16	#14
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,910	Is the last unit bit set in the RDB if your cf card is the only unit on the bus?

29 July 2012, 04:51	#15
bdb Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: USA Posts: 242	Yes

29 July 2012, 05:06	#16
kipper2k Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Thunder Bay, Canada Posts: 4,323	2 options to remove the waiting time on booting 3.1 when no HDD installed is to install a jumper across pins 3, 5 and 39 with resistors. (I think Amigakit has them, or you can use one of my CF - IDE cards and leave the jumpers on.

29 July 2012, 11:19	#17
duga Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 528	Or change to 3.0 if you just use floppys.

29 July 2012, 16:31	#18
bdb Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: USA Posts: 242	I just use 4.1

29 July 2012, 23:39	#20
bdb Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: USA Posts: 242	What?

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