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Chain · 17 January 2006, 18:20

I think biggest difference is FLICKERFIXER. you can use nasty consoloid vga converter, but watching 640*512 will be really pain for ur eyes.

"Composite > VGA" converter - is cheaper, but still its just blurry composite signal...

"RBG >VGA" converters - really not that cheap, and there is still no Flickerfixer

so FF/SD indivision is really best solution, trust me

/me saving for it, not easy after x-mas

Joe Maroni · 17 January 2006, 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chain

I think biggest difference is FLICKERFIXER. you can use nasty consoloid vga converter, but watching 640*512 will be really pain for ur eyes.

"Composite > VGA" converter - is cheaper, but still its just blurry composite signal...

"RBG >VGA" converters - really not that cheap, and there is still no Flickerfixer

so FF/SD indivision is really best solution, trust me

/me saving for it, not easy after x-mas

What...??

after x-mas you should have more money than the rest of the whole year...

except your relationship is too stingy...

Chain · 17 January 2006, 23:13

Im still waiting for first salary in this boring year

so i have only barely for food and travel to work

Joe Maroni · 18 January 2006, 06:37

i know that, but mostly i spend the whole money for the computer...

Chain · 19 January 2006, 18:24

erm... me too, i just bought A4000D

Joe Maroni · 22 January 2006, 19:51

i´ve ordered one..

i hope it works with my monitor, the internal doesn´t

DopPie · 24 January 2006, 21:43

Does this thing do 1280x512? That would be awesome!

Sid · 12 March 2007, 12:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chain

I think biggest difference is FLICKERFIXER. you can use nasty consoloid vga converter, but watching 640*512 will be really pain for ur eyes.

"Composite > VGA" converter - is cheaper, but still its just blurry composite signal...

"RGB >VGA" converters - really not that cheap, and there is still no Flickerfixer

so FF/SD indivision is really best solution, trust me

AmigaKit don't have the SD/FF on their site now...
just the RGB to VGA monitor adaptor:

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/...86092ba819f05c

Quote:

* The SVGA monitor must be able to sync to the Amiga's 31.5Khz signal (Most monitors have no problem doing this). Adapter may vary in appearance.

but no-one recommends getting this??

or this; Commodore Amiga RGB to VGA Adapter
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/...767f93745669f5

??

alexh · 12 March 2007, 12:59

RGB to VGA adapter is useless for games. (Not to mention it was free with most A4000's!)

It uses a screen mode trick to get VGA refresh rates out of AGA. (Referred to as DBLPAL or DBLNTSC)

Ok in Workbench, but doesnt work in (most) games which change to a screen mode that isnt DBL.

Sid · 12 March 2007, 13:03

I want it for games .. primarily KO2! ... and then some others too.

see:
http://www.ko-gathering.com/phpbb2/v...=207768#207768

Sid · 12 March 2007, 13:21

so the SD/FF is the ONLY way to go?
Its not on AmigaKit site, nor can I find it on eBay?

Seen this article:
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/monitor.html

alexh · 12 March 2007, 13:32

Quote:

so the SD/FF is the ONLY way to go

You could buy a new monitor, an LCDTV. They are about £120 from Supermarkets and they have a SCART + VGA input. They have an SD/FF built in.

Quote:

nor can I find it on eBay?

You didnt look very hard

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=220089070759
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=320089182627

Sid · 12 March 2007, 13:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=320089182627

Thanks Alex! At over £100 (and then the cost of a screen), I might as well buy an LCD TV...

..

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

You could buy a new monitor, an LCDTV. They are about £120 from Supermarkets and they have a SCART + VGA input. They have an SD/FF built in.

What LCD screens (at that price)? I have been looking for these... do response times matter at all???

This LCD has a response time of 12ms:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/17-LCD-TV-WIDE...QQcmdZViewItem

Zetr0 · 12 March 2007, 13:55

@Sid

response times do so matter... in the dark days of LCD monitors thier response time was sooo poor that you would get a ghost of the previous frame when attempting to play a game!... just ghastly i tell you....

OLD lcds are only good for (A) reclimation (B) using word on it!

anyways now days we have some tasty LCD screens

)

12ms or under is perfectly fine for high-end PC gamming, watching TV so it should be good for Amiga output too.

Sid · 13 March 2007, 14:47

Thanks Zetro... I'm still on the lookout for a decent well priced flatscreen... (or two)

alexh · 18 June 2007, 00:18

They have been sold out for over a year. Check your dates next time

alexh · 18 June 2007, 09:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by olas

Hi Alexh: I did in fact see that the flickerfixer/scandoubler was out of stock, but my question was about the LCD TV.

My post wasnt in reply to you. Yesterday there was a post from someone in Taunton England saying they would collect a scandoubler from Amikit and give it to their sister who was visiting from australia. It seems now to have been deleted?

21 June 2007, 07:29

Is a flicker fixer needed on more modern LCD displays?

I can see the need for a scan doubler, but, what resolution would benefit from this?

If I have a 1024x768 LCD display, say a 15" modern Dell unit, and my A1200 with its AGA, would I be better off just using it in VGA or multiscan mode at 640x480 or could I some how up it to 800x600 64 colors using a scan doubler???

alexh · 21 June 2007, 10:09

A flicker fixer is required to view interlaced screen modes, otherwise the resolution is halves.

VGA or multiscan modes dont need scandoubler.

With overscan you might be able to get to 800x600 in some amiga modes.

Using an interlaced screen modes and a flicker fixer (instead of dblpal/ntsc) halves the required chip-memory bandwidth making things which use chip-RAM work faster.

Jope · 21 June 2007, 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

A flicker fixer is required to view interlaced screen modes, otherwise the resolution is halves.

Hmm if you only have a scandoubler, you can still view interlaced modes in full resolution, you just don't get a flicker free screen.

21 June 2007, 10:09	#39
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	A flicker fixer is required to view interlaced screen modes, otherwise the resolution is halves. VGA or multiscan modes dont need scandoubler. With overscan you might be able to get to 800x600 in some amiga modes. Using an interlaced screen modes and a flicker fixer (instead of dblpal/ntsc) halves the required chip-memory bandwidth making things which use chip-RAM work faster. Last edited by alexh; 21 June 2007 at 10:15.

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17 January 2006, 18:20	#21
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	I think biggest difference is FLICKERFIXER. you can use nasty consoloid vga converter, but watching 640*512 will be really pain for ur eyes. "Composite > VGA" converter - is cheaper, but still its just blurry composite signal... "RBG >VGA" converters - really not that cheap, and there is still no Flickerfixer so FF/SD indivision is really best solution, trust me /me saving for it, not easy after x-mas

17 January 2006, 23:13	#23
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	Im still waiting for first salary in this boring year so i have only barely for food and travel to work

18 January 2006, 06:37	#24
Joe Maroni Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 1,303	i know that, but mostly i spend the whole money for the computer...

19 January 2006, 18:24	#25
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	erm... me too, i just bought A4000D

22 January 2006, 19:51	#26
Joe Maroni Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 1,303	i´ve ordered one.. i hope it works with my monitor, the internal doesn´t

24 January 2006, 21:43	#27
DopPie Zone Friend Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Den Hoorn, NL Age: 44 Posts: 259	Does this thing do 1280x512? That would be awesome!

12 March 2007, 12:59	#29
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	RGB to VGA adapter is useless for games. (Not to mention it was free with most A4000's!) It uses a screen mode trick to get VGA refresh rates out of AGA. (Referred to as DBLPAL or DBLNTSC) Ok in Workbench, but doesnt work in (most) games which change to a screen mode that isnt DBL.

12 March 2007, 13:03	#30
Sid Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Berkshire, UK Age: 47 Posts: 85	I want it for games .. primarily KO2! ... and then some others too. see: http://www.ko-gathering.com/phpbb2/v...=207768#207768

12 March 2007, 13:21	#31
Sid Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Berkshire, UK Age: 47 Posts: 85	so the SD/FF is the ONLY way to go? Its not on AmigaKit site, nor can I find it on eBay? Seen this article: http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/monitor.html

12 March 2007, 13:55	#34
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@Sid response times do so matter... in the dark days of LCD monitors thier response time was sooo poor that you would get a ghost of the previous frame when attempting to play a game!... just ghastly i tell you.... OLD lcds are only good for (A) reclimation (B) using word on it! anyways now days we have some tasty LCD screens ) 12ms or under is perfectly fine for high-end PC gamming, watching TV so it should be good for Amiga output too.

13 March 2007, 14:47	#35
Sid Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Berkshire, UK Age: 47 Posts: 85	Thanks Zetro... I'm still on the lookout for a decent well priced flatscreen... (or two)

18 June 2007, 00:18	#36
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	They have been sold out for over a year. Check your dates next time

21 June 2007, 07:29	#38
norseman12 Posts: n/a	Is a flicker fixer needed on more modern LCD displays? I can see the need for a scan doubler, but, what resolution would benefit from this? If I have a 1024x768 LCD display, say a 15" modern Dell unit, and my A1200 with its AGA, would I be better off just using it in VGA or multiscan mode at 640x480 or could I some how up it to 800x600 64 colors using a scan doubler???

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