3.0 Workbench Help

blade002 · 25 June 2006, 17:32

Ok ive given up with these 3.1 roms not liking my blizzard card and ive given up spending my whole week & weekend figuring out how blizkick works and not knowing why my HD wont boot intitally, and so much other S@$T..etc.. So im going back to when it was simple and everything worked.

Need some help though ( again ). My HD is a 40 gig 2.5 Inch internal drive that of course WB 3.0 will not recongise fully. I was informed by someone a little while ago that you can a patch or something to help fix this problem in some way to use larger partitions on 3.0 .. How do i do this and what is the program called?

Also i was hoping to run 3.9 Workbench but due to the crap above ive given up, so im just wondering what icon sets are out there now for 3.0 ?.. My workbench used to look great in the 90's but im sure some better icon sets and borders have been produced since then.

I want to eventually run WHDLoad as well and its one of my main reasons for getting the A1200 going again.

Ok, thanks everyone for thier help thus far!..

mr_a500 · 25 June 2006, 20:57

Hi blade002

.

I use 3.0 ROMs and WB 3.1 on my A500 and I have a 2.5" 40Gb internal IDE drive. This is what I do:

Most of my everyday software will fit under the 4Gb barrier so I usually just boot WB 3.1 (with 3.0 ROMs) normally and don't see anything beyond 4Gb. I occasionally want to backup my partitions and to do this, I use loadmodule to load the scsi.device that I extracted out of the 3.9 update (I legally own 3.9). After loading this scsi.device (causes a double-boot), I can create and see partitions beyond the 4Gb barrier.

There are two reasons I don't always use the 3.9 scsi.device. One: no matter what you do (using WB3.9 or 3.1), loading the 3.9 scsi.device will always cause an annoying double-boot and using it only when necessary prevents lots of unnecessary double-booting. Two: mounting partitions that are not vital for everyday use (i.e. Backup partitions) uses up valuable RAM (buffers).

About the icons - I'm sure most icon replacements are available on Aminet. I usually just make my own.

thomas · 25 June 2006, 22:49

Don't know if the icon.library of OS3.9 works on Kick 3.0, but if it does you can install the PowerIcons program which enables you to use PNG icons. That's probably the most advanced icon system for OS 3.0 :-)

If PowerIcons does not work, you can install NewIcons. It's a program which lets you use colorful icons similar to what is used in OS3.9. The icons coming with the NewIcons package look quite old-fashioned, but you will probably find some good-looking newicons on Aminet (see pix/nicon directory), might be even in GlowIcon style (the style used in OS3.9).

DoctorQ · 25 June 2006, 22:52

PowerIcons needs a RTG card though.

mr_a500 · 26 June 2006, 01:07

No, the 3.9 icon.library does not work with Kick 3.0.

There are lots of Glowicon style icons on Aminet and you can find most of the 3.9 Glowicons in Newicon format. There is also a program "ConvertColorIcon" which will convert any 3.5/3.9 Colouricons to Newicons (as long as they are smaller than 93x93).

Bamiga2002 · 26 June 2006, 07:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by blade002

Ok ive given up with these 3.1 roms not liking my blizzard card and ive given up spending my whole week & weekend figuring out how blizkick works and not knowing why my HD wont boot intitally, and so much other S@$T..etc.. So im going back to when it was simple and everything worked.

Dontcha do that

. BlizKick is a handy piece of utility that patches and speeds up the system. I recall it was a certain patch in the blizkick command line that locked up my hard drive from booting. After i discovered what it was, it worked like a charm.

You could test the blizkick command line you have without the QUIET-option so you can see what patch is causing the booting problem.

blade002 · 26 June 2006, 07:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bamiga2002

Dontcha do that

. BlizKick is a handy piece of utility that patches and speeds up the system. I recall it was a certain patch in the blizkick command line that locked up my hard drive from booting. After i discovered what it was, it worked like a charm.

You could test the blizkick command line you have without the QUIET-option so you can see what patch is causing the booting problem.

I want to install it and run it, it doesnt do that.. ive got no idea what commands i need to put in there. Sure it does list commands, but there are so many options in that program most of which i have no idea what its talking about to put the commands in there?.

It was obviously written for those who still have an extremely sound knowledge of the Amiga, but for me now, im lost with it!. Its about as clear as mud.

If im running Blizkick on an A1200 030/50 with 16 or 32 meg of fast ram, whilst running workbench 3.0 with 3.1 kickstart roms, the what command would i need to put in there!?.

Bamiga2002 · 26 June 2006, 09:28

RTFM

There are a couple of example command lines for your configuration in the guide. Read it through and discover the one that suits you

.

blade002 · 26 June 2006, 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bamiga2002

RTFM

There are a couple of example command lines for your configuration in the guide. Read it through and discover the one that suits you

.

I'll try it out and see how i go. Thankyou for your help

fc.studio · 27 June 2006, 08:24

I run OS 3.9 on my A1200 with KS3.0 and Blizzard 1230/IV 16Mb (map rom mast be enabled).
My first 6 lines of startup-sequence are:

-------------------------
Version >NIL: exec.library 40
if warn
Blizkick KICKFILE=Devs/Kickstarts/KICK40068.A1200 MODULE Devs/Modules/RomFixes Devs/Modules/FixMath404 FORCE HOGWAITBLIT SPEEDROM QUIET
endif

C:IDEfix

SetPatch QUIET
-----------------

(blizkick command above is in one single line)

Switching on the system boots and only the first time it immediately auto-reboots, then I'll have the Kickstart 3.1 (v40.68) running and this allows me to use OS 3.9.

It requires Kickstart 3.1 image and blizkick with modules properly installed.

I hope it can help you.

patrik · 27 June 2006, 21:15

@fc.studio:
If you remove the force argument, you will not need the version check of exec as Blizkick checks if it has a softkick resident in memory.

25 June 2006, 17:32	#1
blade002 Zone Friend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Australia Age: 50 Posts: 2,616	3.0 Workbench Help Ok ive given up with these 3.1 roms not liking my blizzard card and ive given up spending my whole week & weekend figuring out how blizkick works and not knowing why my HD wont boot intitally, and so much other S@$T..etc.. So im going back to when it was simple and everything worked. Need some help though ( again ). My HD is a 40 gig 2.5 Inch internal drive that of course WB 3.0 will not recongise fully. I was informed by someone a little while ago that you can a patch or something to help fix this problem in some way to use larger partitions on 3.0 .. How do i do this and what is the program called? Also i was hoping to run 3.9 Workbench but due to the crap above ive given up, so im just wondering what icon sets are out there now for 3.0 ?.. My workbench used to look great in the 90's but im sure some better icon sets and borders have been produced since then. I want to eventually run WHDLoad as well and its one of my main reasons for getting the A1200 going again. Ok, thanks everyone for thier help thus far!..

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25 June 2006, 20:57	#2
mr_a500 Amiga-based Cyborg Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 808	Hi blade002 . I use 3.0 ROMs and WB 3.1 on my A500 and I have a 2.5" 40Gb internal IDE drive. This is what I do: Most of my everyday software will fit under the 4Gb barrier so I usually just boot WB 3.1 (with 3.0 ROMs) normally and don't see anything beyond 4Gb. I occasionally want to backup my partitions and to do this, I use loadmodule to load the scsi.device that I extracted out of the 3.9 update (I legally own 3.9). After loading this scsi.device (causes a double-boot), I can create and see partitions beyond the 4Gb barrier. There are two reasons I don't always use the 3.9 scsi.device. One: no matter what you do (using WB3.9 or 3.1), loading the 3.9 scsi.device will always cause an annoying double-boot and using it only when necessary prevents lots of unnecessary double-booting. Two: mounting partitions that are not vital for everyday use (i.e. Backup partitions) uses up valuable RAM (buffers). About the icons - I'm sure most icon replacements are available on Aminet. I usually just make my own.

25 June 2006, 22:49	#3
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	Don't know if the icon.library of OS3.9 works on Kick 3.0, but if it does you can install the PowerIcons program which enables you to use PNG icons. That's probably the most advanced icon system for OS 3.0 :-) If PowerIcons does not work, you can install NewIcons. It's a program which lets you use colorful icons similar to what is used in OS3.9. The icons coming with the NewIcons package look quite old-fashioned, but you will probably find some good-looking newicons on Aminet (see pix/nicon directory), might be even in GlowIcon style (the style used in OS3.9).

25 June 2006, 22:52	#4
DoctorQ What?? Who?? DoctorQ!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Rødding/Denmark Age: 43 Posts: 314	PowerIcons needs a RTG card though.

26 June 2006, 01:07	#5
mr_a500 Amiga-based Cyborg Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 808	No, the 3.9 icon.library does not work with Kick 3.0. There are lots of Glowicon style icons on Aminet and you can find most of the 3.9 Glowicons in Newicon format. There is also a program "ConvertColorIcon" which will convert any 3.5/3.9 Colouricons to Newicons (as long as they are smaller than 93x93).

26 June 2006, 09:28	#8
Bamiga2002 BlizzardPPC'less Join Date: May 2004 Location: Finland Age: 46 Posts: 3,210	RTFM There are a couple of example command lines for your configuration in the guide. Read it through and discover the one that suits you .

27 June 2006, 08:24	#10
fc.studio Cat lover Join Date: May 2004 Location: Italy Age: 54 Posts: 804	I run OS 3.9 on my A1200 with KS3.0 and Blizzard 1230/IV 16Mb (map rom mast be enabled). My first 6 lines of startup-sequence are: ------------------------- Version >NIL: exec.library 40 if warn Blizkick KICKFILE=Devs/Kickstarts/KICK40068.A1200 MODULE Devs/Modules/RomFixes Devs/Modules/FixMath404 FORCE HOGWAITBLIT SPEEDROM QUIET endif C:IDEfix SetPatch QUIET ----------------- (blizkick command above is in one single line) Switching on the system boots and only the first time it immediately auto-reboots, then I'll have the Kickstart 3.1 (v40.68) running and this allows me to use OS 3.9. It requires Kickstart 3.1 image and blizkick with modules properly installed. I hope it can help you.

27 June 2006, 21:15	#11
patrik Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Umeå Age: 43 Posts: 922	@fc.studio: If you remove the force argument, you will not need the version check of exec as Blizkick checks if it has a softkick resident in memory.

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