Music stolen ?

chip · 06 September 2020, 05:58

Hi guys

Just want to share with you what i spotted

It seems that the music of this game

https://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/Arnie

is stolen

The original one is this module

http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=56235

The music is nearly the same indeed, except for some speech which is not present in the game music

I can say that the music is stolen for two reasons:

1) the game is from 1992, the ST15 module is from 1988
2) the game music is Protracker format, the original one is Soundtracker

What do you think, am i missing something ?

All the best, chip

Amigajay · 06 September 2020, 08:19

Dozens of games use music ‘borrowed’ from not only Amiga artists, but real film/tv music without licence, it was pretty common during the 8-16bit ‘bedroom’ coding years when most people turned a blind eye to such stuff.

onkelarie · 06 September 2020, 12:26

As mentioned, it wasn't all that regulated back then. Usually it was fought over in diskmags, cracktro's and demo's, slandering others for 'borrowing' music and gfx.

It's interesting to sometimes just browse through the collection of demo's just to read the scrollers and dig up dirt from way back when

chip · 20 January 2023, 13:12

Just spotted another curious case

For the game Final Fight of 1991 it was used this demo music

http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=33331

WayneK · 20 January 2023, 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by chip

Just spotted another curious case

For the game Final Fight of 1991 it was used this demo music

http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=33331

I think this one is probably "legit", Richard Aplin had links with the Share & Enjoy guys + Rogue Male/SAE did music for several games too, so it's possible they used The Judge's tune with permission here...

mrv2k · 20 January 2023, 14:40

Megafortress was another...

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TCD · 20 January 2023, 14:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by chip

Just want to share with you what i spotted

It seems that the music of this game

https://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/Arnie

is stolen

The original one is this module

http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=56235

If you check on HOL (https://hol.abime.net/3316) and compare that to the entry on janeway you might get the answer

Edit: Just saw the note on the entry which explains the credit for TSM. Might be worth to check with somebody involved in making the game to confirm how the music got into the game.

alexh · 20 January 2023, 15:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrv2k

Megafortress was another...

Wow, never seen this game before.

The musician for this game is credited as Paul Butler but it's blatantly ripped from the Phenomena Enigma Megademo a track called "A Final Hyperbase" by Jimmy Fredriksson (Firefox) and Robert Ling (Tip).

Pyromania · 20 January 2023, 20:48

Arrests warrants should go out immediately. Get the DNA before it’s too late.

Pyromania · 21 January 2023, 00:43

Warm up and sharpen the guillotines before it’s too late!

Dan · 21 January 2023, 09:47

And please care about my earworm as well. (just jumping in, on this sarcasm train !)

Estrayk · 21 January 2023, 16:39

I know it's a total offtopic, but I'm happy to say it, some time ago I made a cover of this TSM music on Atari ST. If anyone wants to listen to it, here it is:

[ Show youtube player ]

saimon69 · 21 January 2023, 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Wow, never seen this game before.

The musician for this game is credited as Paul Butler but it's blatantly ripped from the Phenomena Enigma Megademo a track called "A Final Hyperbase" by Jimmy Fredriksson (Firefox) and Robert Ling (Tip).

Is by chance a case of Karma? (pirates steal from publishers,publishers retaliate grabbing mods) - don't take this too seriously though

Pyromania · 22 January 2023, 23:37

Pitch forks locked and loaded!

TCD · 22 January 2023, 23:54

Is a stolen pirate song still stolen? Things to ponder late at night.

Carlos Ace · 25 March 2023, 22:12

One of the versions of Kingsoft's game "Sixiang" use a sample of "Black Betty" Stag's song version :

» Sixiang
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» Stag - Black Betty
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06 September 2020, 05:58	#1
chip Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,834	Music stolen ? Hi guys Just want to share with you what i spotted It seems that the music of this game https://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/Arnie is stolen The original one is this module http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=56235 The music is nearly the same indeed, except for some speech which is not present in the game music I can say that the music is stolen for two reasons: 1) the game is from 1992, the ST15 module is from 1988 2) the game music is Protracker format, the original one is Soundtracker What do you think, am i missing something ? All the best, chip

25 March 2023, 22:12	#16
Carlos Ace Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lusitania Posts: 446	One of the versions of Kingsoft's game "Sixiang" use a sample of "Black Betty" Stag's song version : » Sixiang [ Show youtube player ] » Stag - Black Betty [ Show youtube player ] Last edited by Carlos Ace; 25 March 2023 at 22:17.

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Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,198	Warm up and sharpen the guillotines before it’s too late!

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Dan Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 609	And please care about my earworm as well. (just jumping in, on this sarcasm train !)

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Estrayk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Spain Posts: 435	I know it's a total offtopic, but I'm happy to say it, some time ago I made a cover of this TSM music on Atari ST. If anyone wants to listen to it, here it is: [ Show youtube player ]

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