Amiga 4000 graphic card

heALer · 13 October 2010, 22:13

Hi folks, maybe this question is stupid but I have to ask. If I put a mediator pci board and then a graphic card, for example an Ati card, in an amiga 4000D. Then I use os3.9, can I still run games that need the AGA-chip, ECS/OCS? The monitor will be connected to the Ati-card. Or is the Ati card just used in workbench? Hope you understand what I mean. Thanks

alexh · 13 October 2010, 22:14

Nope. Mediator gfx cards do not have AGA scandoubling so they are just for workbench.

If you had a Plasma / LCDTV you could connect the ATI to the monitor via VGA and regular AGA/ECS/OCS via RGB SCART.

If you had a Picasso IV gfx card then everything would just work.

If you don't need the gfx card feature then you could just get an Indivision A4000/CD32 board. It is by far your cheapest solution.

heALer · 16 October 2010, 15:36

Okej thanks.. I saw an 1200 at an auctionsite that had a BV-PPC graphic card, and 603 ppc acceleration..
whats the bv-ppc graphic?

ajk · 16 October 2010, 15:51

The BlizzardVisionPPC is a graphics card connected directly to the BlizzardPPC accelerator. You can find the specs of both these devices on various Amiga hardware resource sites.

The BVPPC does not have a scandoubler so you won't be able to see the AGA modes through the same VGA connector, but you can still of course have two monitors connected (or one monitor with both VGA and SCART inputs or whatever is best for you).

CU_AMiGA · 16 October 2010, 19:25

isnt there a way to view tv on a pci graphics card (tv tuner device similar to the one on picasso). did i hear about people connecting the native amiga output to this connecter?

fitzsteve · 16 October 2010, 19:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by CU_AMiGA

isnt there a way to view tv on a pci graphics card (tv tuner device similar to the one on picasso). did i hear about people connecting the native amiga output to this connecter?

rkauer over at Amibay was telling me the same, shame it turns out my Lifeview TV card isn't supported by the Mediator, but yes in throey this is a solution. I'm not sure how great the scrolling in game would be, maybe tearing and such? (this suggestion was for my A1200T with Voodoo/mediator)

Howerver I would not turn back now since installing a PiccasoIV in my A4000 it really is the dogs danglies

Steve.

CU_AMiGA · 16 October 2010, 20:37

yep! agreed! i have them too!

i think/remember that scrolling was ok but not as good as picasso!? (if anyone wants to add anything). i remember the whole thing being dodgy tho as in theory it shouldnt work as whd/amiga games "bang" the hard ware so the tv/graphics software should be frozen and not work!

heALer · 17 October 2010, 11:11

A picasso IV card, is it hard to find or is it common?

alexh · 17 October 2010, 11:52

In between. They come up for auction once every 2 months or so for about €180

Fabie · 17 October 2010, 11:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by heALer

A picasso IV card, is it hard to find or is it common?

hard to find and very very expensive

rkauer · 18 October 2010, 03:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitzsteve

rkauer over at Amibay was telling me the same...

Hey, I'm selling it for what I paid for.

From what I saw, the user connect the composhit output from Amiga to the capture card and start a PIP screen, then put it on full-screen (or to the max it can be enlarged), then fire up the WHDLoad game and for some "magic" the PIP screen will be the output on monitor.

If only I can locate the post again... Was in A.troll, some years now. I never used a capture card on my Mediator.

Mad-Matt · 18 October 2010, 18:08

I did have my Mediator setup this way with a tv card for showing native output. when executing a whd game it would run a script to fireup SuperTV in fullscreen and close it on exit. Looks quite rough though with composite capture. I imagine it would have looked better if I had svideo available.

rkauer · 18 October 2010, 23:25

You know that is very easy to grab S-Video directly from inside the Amiga video encoder, right?

Two transistors, some resistors and a capacitor and the S-Video socket.

13 October 2010, 22:13	#1
heALer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 55	Amiga 4000 graphic card Hi folks, maybe this question is stupid but I have to ask. If I put a mediator pci board and then a graphic card, for example an Ati card, in an amiga 4000D. Then I use os3.9, can I still run games that need the AGA-chip, ECS/OCS? The monitor will be connected to the Ati-card. Or is the Ati card just used in workbench? Hope you understand what I mean. Thanks

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13 October 2010, 22:14	#2
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,448	Nope. Mediator gfx cards do not have AGA scandoubling so they are just for workbench. If you had a Plasma / LCDTV you could connect the ATI to the monitor via VGA and regular AGA/ECS/OCS via RGB SCART. If you had a Picasso IV gfx card then everything would just work. If you don't need the gfx card feature then you could just get an Indivision A4000/CD32 board. It is by far your cheapest solution.

16 October 2010, 15:36	#3
heALer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 55	Okej thanks.. I saw an 1200 at an auctionsite that had a BV-PPC graphic card, and 603 ppc acceleration.. whats the bv-ppc graphic?

16 October 2010, 15:51	#4
ajk Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1,341	The BlizzardVisionPPC is a graphics card connected directly to the BlizzardPPC accelerator. You can find the specs of both these devices on various Amiga hardware resource sites. The BVPPC does not have a scandoubler so you won't be able to see the AGA modes through the same VGA connector, but you can still of course have two monitors connected (or one monitor with both VGA and SCART inputs or whatever is best for you).

16 October 2010, 19:25	#5
CU_AMiGA Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Exeter Age: 39 Posts: 970	isnt there a way to view tv on a pci graphics card (tv tuner device similar to the one on picasso). did i hear about people connecting the native amiga output to this connecter?

16 October 2010, 20:37	#7
CU_AMiGA Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Exeter Age: 39 Posts: 970	yep! agreed! i have them too! i think/remember that scrolling was ok but not as good as picasso!? (if anyone wants to add anything). i remember the whole thing being dodgy tho as in theory it shouldnt work as whd/amiga games "bang" the hard ware so the tv/graphics software should be frozen and not work!

17 October 2010, 11:11	#8
heALer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 55	A picasso IV card, is it hard to find or is it common?

17 October 2010, 11:52	#9
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,448	In between. They come up for auction once every 2 months or so for about €180

18 October 2010, 18:08	#12
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,853	I did have my Mediator setup this way with a tv card for showing native output. when executing a whd game it would run a script to fireup SuperTV in fullscreen and close it on exit. Looks quite rough though with composite capture. I imagine it would have looked better if I had svideo available.

18 October 2010, 23:25	#13
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	You know that is very easy to grab S-Video directly from inside the Amiga video encoder, right? Two transistors, some resistors and a capacitor and the S-Video socket.

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