Problematic Demos. - Page 49

rutra80 · 05 February 2023, 21:37

Works here on every A500 Quickstart after changing ROM to Cloanto's:
KS ROM v1.2 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 33.180 (256k) [315093-01]

You seem to use some obscure ROM:
https://cloanto.com/amiga/roms/

Photon · 05 February 2023, 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by rutra80

Works here on every A500 Quickstart after changing ROM to Cloanto's:
KS ROM v1.2 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 33.180 (256k) [315093-01]

You seem to use some obscure ROM:
https://cloanto.com/amiga/roms/

No, I don't. There is no 33.180. Hexdump $fc0000 and you'll see it's 33.192 just like I used. There are no obscure 1.2 Kickstart ROMs, only obscure Kickstart disks, which are not accepted for an A500 Quickstart.

The demo is handled, I've already said I'll move it to another thread. This will happen when I find more time for testing WinUAE.

rutra80 · 05 February 2023, 22:19

33.192 is an exec version. Post checksum if you want to compare.

amilo3438 · 05 February 2023, 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Photon

There is no 33.180. Hexdump $fc0000 and you'll see it's 33.192 just like I used.

Ver=33.180, ExecVer=33.192

EDIT: rutra80 was faster!

Photon · 05 February 2023, 22:53

Right.

It would make sense to identify the actual Kickstart version there at the start of the Kickstart...

I've captured the error and will send to Toni. This to avoid questioning the poster of bugs experienced in software other than the demo.

rutra80 · 19 February 2023, 21:30

Total Triple Trouble by Rebels - vertical orange-grey-orange-grey parallax is flickering, is it happening on real A500 too?

a/b · 19 February 2023, 22:13

TTT: if you mean approx. 1:10 in, after the "now you can see for yourself!" screen... Yeah, it's the same on a real A500. The same fx is repeated 2-3 more times in the next couple of minutes, including the flickering.

rutra80 · 19 February 2023, 22:17

Yes, that part. Ok then no problem, thanks.

a/b · 10 March 2023, 19:06

3D Demo 2, multi-color scroll near the end is borked in 64-bit 4.10.1 and 4.10.2 beta. Config: settings -> quickstart -> a500 with either default or best compatibility (the same outcome).
Text screen using the same font earlier in the demo was fine.

Toni Wilen · 10 March 2023, 19:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by a/b

3D Demo 2, multi-color scroll near the end is borked in 64-bit 4.10.1 and 4.10.2 beta. Config: settings -> quickstart -> a500 with either default or best compatibility (the same outcome).
Text screen using the same font earlier in the demo was fine.

Looks like interlace (normal look when drawing it as progressive). Setting Interlace mode to fields or fields+ should make it look better.

rutra80 · 14 March 2023, 15:41

Are bubbles in Egregious by Kefrens supposed to glitch on OCS and not on ECS?

amilo3438 · 15 March 2023, 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by rutra80

Are bubbles in Egregious by Kefrens supposed to glitch on OCS and not on ECS?

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=92175
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=1196166&postcount=4

rutra80 · 15 March 2023, 19:11

Ok, thanks.

amilo3438 · 28 April 2023, 21:55

Prurient (Demo) by Rebels ... http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=10414

While testing an other emu Denise found the same possible problem on WinUAE!

On above link there are 2 versions, 1st only exe runs fine but one .dms (or converted .adf) has some small glitches while running.
Also, if after booting stop the sturtup-sequence with ctrl-D and run rbs_pr.exe than is fine. Wonder if the same happens on a real machine!

(used config A500 ECS 1.3 512 +512)

also,

Best of Amiga Demos 14 (Packdisk) by Reinhard Haslbeck ... http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=104730

On the F2 demo there are some glitches before mouse button!
On the F4 demo fine in OCS and very bad in ECS!

Toni Wilen · 29 April 2023, 09:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by amilo3438

Prurient (Demo) by Rebels ... http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=10414

While testing an other emu Denise found the same possible problem on WinUAE!

On above link there are 2 versions, 1st only exe runs fine but one .dms (or converted .adf) has some small glitches while running.
Also, if after booting stop the sturtup-sequence with ctrl-D and run rbs_pr.exe than is fine. Wonder if the same happens on a real machine!

(used config A500 ECS 1.3 512 +512)

Assuming you mean garbage on bottom right corner of interference effect near the beginning. And later parts also have some garbage in same position (full height yellowish line from top to bottom). It is some sprite remains.

Quote:

Best of Amiga Demos 14 (Packdisk) by Reinhard Haslbeck ... http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=104730

On the F2 demo there are some glitches before mouse button!
On the F4 demo fine in OCS and very bad in ECS!

F2: it is part of guru joke.

F4: "usual" bitplane/refresh cycle conflict side-effect. This conflict also disables part of chip ram refresh which can cause all kinds of weird side-effects on real HW, even random hang. At least on my real A500 it looks same as on UAE + some garbage differences due to different initial memory contents and some brightness weirdness due to horizontal blanking being in wrong positions (this is not emulated yet, not really worth the trouble).

amilo3438 · 29 April 2023, 18:40

Tutti Frutti 16 (Packdisk) by Brainstorm ... http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=15464

F4 demo looks like one another bitplane/refresh cycle conflict side-effect! (bad in ECS) (as "usual" not worth the trouble so JFI)

Toni Wilen · 29 April 2023, 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by amilo3438

Tutti Frutti 16 (Packdisk) by Brainstorm ... http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=15464

F4 demo looks like one another bitplane/refresh cycle conflict side-effect! (bad in ECS) (as "usual" not worth the trouble so JFI)

Yes. It is easy to see because result is strange jagged graphics + audio getting bad (only situation where it can be mostly invisible is if there is only single scanline having the conflict)

This has one difference compared to UAE: sprites are visible in extreme left and right border. Nothing important because conflict can't be used for anything useful but at least technically it is wrong. Fixed someday in the future. Maybe.

amilo3438 · 14 May 2023, 21:37

Restricted (Intro) by Cadaver ... http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=10244

Glitches! I don't remember if we ever tested this one! (A500 1.3 1MB Chip)

Ps.
Needs 1MB Chip according to: http://arabuusimiehet.com/break/amig...ls.php?id=3051

Toni Wilen · 15 May 2023, 16:14

Exact same happens on real A500 too (1M chip).

Zarnal · 15 May 2023, 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by amilo3438

Restricted (Intro) by Cadaver ... http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=10244

Glitches! I don't remember if we ever tested this one! (A500 1.3 1MB Chip)

Ps.
Needs 1MB Chip according to: http://arabuusimiehet.com/break/amig...ls.php?id=3051

Confirmed ( pic 1 ).

05 February 2023, 21:37	#961
rutra80 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Poland Posts: 308	Works here on every A500 Quickstart after changing ROM to Cloanto's: KS ROM v1.2 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 33.180 (256k) [315093-01] You seem to use some obscure ROM: https://cloanto.com/amiga/roms/ Last edited by rutra80; 05 February 2023 at 21:52.

10 March 2023, 19:06	#969
a/b Registered User Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: europe Posts: 1,039	3D Demo 2, multi-color scroll near the end is borked in 64-bit 4.10.1 and 4.10.2 beta. Config: settings -> quickstart -> a500 with either default or best compatibility (the same outcome). Text screen using the same font earlier in the demo was fine. Attached Thumbnails

28 April 2023, 21:55	#974
amilo3438 Amiga 500 User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: EU Posts: 1,501	Prurient (Demo) by Rebels ... http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=10414 While testing an other emu Denise found the same possible problem on WinUAE! On above link there are 2 versions, 1st only exe runs fine but one .dms (or converted .adf) has some small glitches while running. Also, if after booting stop the sturtup-sequence with ctrl-D and run rbs_pr.exe than is fine. Wonder if the same happens on a real machine! (used config A500 ECS 1.3 512 +512) also, Best of Amiga Demos 14 (Packdisk) by Reinhard Haslbeck ... http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=104730 On the F2 demo there are some glitches before mouse button! On the F4 demo fine in OCS and very bad in ECS! Last edited by amilo3438; 28 April 2023 at 22:25.

29 April 2023, 18:40	#976
amilo3438 Amiga 500 User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: EU Posts: 1,501	Tutti Frutti 16 (Packdisk) by Brainstorm ... http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=15464 F4 demo looks like one another bitplane/refresh cycle conflict side-effect! (bad in ECS) (as "usual" not worth the trouble so JFI) Last edited by amilo3438; 29 April 2023 at 18:58.

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05 February 2023, 22:19	#963
rutra80 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Poland Posts: 308	33.192 is an exec version. Post checksum if you want to compare.

05 February 2023, 22:53	#965
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	Right. It would make sense to identify the actual Kickstart version there at the start of the Kickstart... I've captured the error and will send to Toni. This to avoid questioning the poster of bugs experienced in software other than the demo.

19 February 2023, 21:30	#966
rutra80 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Poland Posts: 308	Total Triple Trouble by Rebels - vertical orange-grey-orange-grey parallax is flickering, is it happening on real A500 too?

19 February 2023, 22:13	#967
a/b Registered User Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: europe Posts: 1,039	TTT: if you mean approx. 1:10 in, after the "now you can see for yourself!" screen... Yeah, it's the same on a real A500. The same fx is repeated 2-3 more times in the next couple of minutes, including the flickering.

19 February 2023, 22:17	#968
rutra80 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Poland Posts: 308	Yes, that part. Ok then no problem, thanks.

14 March 2023, 15:41	#971
rutra80 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Poland Posts: 308	Are bubbles in Egregious by Kefrens supposed to glitch on OCS and not on ECS?

15 March 2023, 19:11	#973
rutra80 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Poland Posts: 308	Ok, thanks.

14 May 2023, 21:37	#978
amilo3438 Amiga 500 User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: EU Posts: 1,501	Restricted (Intro) by Cadaver ... http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=10244 Glitches! I don't remember if we ever tested this one! (A500 1.3 1MB Chip) Ps. Needs 1MB Chip according to: http://arabuusimiehet.com/break/amig...ls.php?id=3051

15 May 2023, 16:14	#979
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Exact same happens on real A500 too (1M chip).

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