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Any news regarding A1222 Tabor Topaz?
I don't know if it's the place to ask but.
Has anyone got News regarding the A1222? Since the specs are known but no sign of it on A-EON s site. 400 eur is a good price and i wish to buy it when i can. I wish to go fully amiga and get rid of my windows system. |
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http://amigaworld.net/ Compared to Windows? Because the A1222 doesn't have an FPU or SIMD unit? Because PPC is dead? Because AmigaOS FE doesn't support SMP? Because the Amiga makes it impossible? |
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There are some OS4 users here however, just perhaps less visible because bashing other platforms doesn't tend to be the primary focus of this site. Personally I might be a good candidate for a future Tabor owner, given my creaking A1-XE G4 is probably my most used Amiga-flavour machine and will probably need to be replaced at some stage.
To actually answer your questions: There's no news on the Tabor board, other than it's still being worked on software-wise. There aren't any confirmed release dates, and the OS is currently running on it but a long way from public release. Regardless of that, it's unlikely you can fully replace your Windows life with Amiga OS or any of its derivatives or clones. There simply isn't the software support for most activities. It would help if you told us what you use on your Windows machine, but I wouldn't be hopeful of being able to transfer all your computing to any Amiga. I use Amiga OS as much as I can, but I also have Linux and Windows machines for those many tasks that simply can't be done without significantly more pain, or at all, on other systems. |
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Haha. Hilarious. No it doesn't really, since neither of those are things I'm particularly bothered about, and the RAM and bus speeds are a healthy improvement over the A1. At the same time I won't be replacing the G4 until it dies either, and so far it's still rock solid (hefty appetite for CR2032s aside).
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PPC is a resource hog. There is no low end PPC because it always needs bigger caches, more and faster memory and faster bus speeds. Sacrifices were made with the QorIQ P1022 to have the same resources as high end PPC and the result isn't pretty. No standard FPU, 64 bit integer registers on a 32 bit CPU, reusing commonly used and standard encoding space, shared processing units and registers, etc., sounds like something Gunnar von Boehn (Apollo Core) would design. There is a reasonable chance that the delay is caused by working around this horrible design mistake and choice of a CPU to allow non-embarrassing standard PPC floating point performance. Floating point benchmarks are still likely to be ugly.
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If you were doing 3D on the Amiga (one of the few places where AmigaOS 4 is fairly modern) then you would want an FPU and SIMD unit. If you are using retro Amiga software (or assembler programming) then an FPGA Arcade or UAE would be better. If you need more Amiga processing power then AROS with SMP or UAE would be better. If you need more Amiga memory then 64 bit AROS would be better. If you need a pretty Workbench and your wallet emptied then AmigaOS 4 might just fit your bill. Sorry. I just don't get the appeal of AmigaOS 4 on low end PPC hardware. I don't get the appeal on high end PPC hardware as long as it doesn't support SMP, 64 bit addressing, memory protection or resource tracking either. I'm not anti-PPC but the current AmigaOS 4 hardware has the big system bloat without any of the advantages from high end hardware. If you are going to stay 32 bit (which I actually prefer for a personal computer with good code density) then I want a 68k system with a tiny footprint and the performance boost from being lean and mean. Last edited by matthey; 13 April 2017 at 20:34. |
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Yep, I think you make it pretty clear that you don't get OS4, at every possible opportunity. What's wrong with liking the feel of a system and wanting to use it because of that? I'm sure, to any average person, they would think your Amiga hobby is ridiculous no matter which variety you use. "You mean you paid €10 per MHz for an antique CPU? You're an idiot." "You mean you have a PC with Windows on it but you use this 25 year old OS in an emulator instead? You're crazy." "You mean you use a 12 year old Mac with an obscure OS and virtually no software? What the hell are you thinking?"
Most of what I use it for is software development, and occasionally writing articles for Amiga Future. Sure, I could do it on OS3 (and occasionally I do), but I prefer OS4. I also do it sometimes on MOS, but I prefer OS4. If I was being realistic about it I wouldn't use any of them, because in modern terms they're all an absolute joke. But it's a hobby, and I do it because I enjoy it. That's the bit you are refusing to accept. What's wrong with accepting other people's preferences? Why is it so hard to understand a different point of view that's not number-centric, especially when the numbers of whatever your favourite platform is are a complete joke no matter which way you cut it. If it came down to hard statistics, nobody would use anything other than Windows. Although, if your hobby is cruising niche forums looking for people to put down for their particular choice of niches, you're doing a great job, and you must be so proud of yourself. Perhaps that's why you seem to pick up bans on some forums. I mean, who do they think they are, judging you for your choice of hobby? |
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Anyway, let's leave it at that, shall we? It seems you've found a bit of an understanding after all. |
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