Lionheart gfx glitches

[alexh]

Originally Posted by Eliotg

I have a cd32 version of lionheart trained

No you don't. You've got a CD with regular lionheart on it. What a waste of a CD.

[Eliotg]

Originally Posted by alexh

No you don't. You've got a CD with regular lionheart on it. What a waste of a CD.

I know..I compiled it for my use---and it's not a waste cause is a iso file

[hexaae]

Originally Posted by viddi

Check out the Zone!

I uploaded two WHDload versions. Both without gfx glitches on my A1200 and A4000.

The prob is with WUAE only:

Originally Posted by alexh

Is it any better if you use the Thalion HD installer which is present on the original disks (available on my website)?

That way you could rule out (or in) WHDload as the culprit?

Never quite understood why they did a WHDload installer for this game as the Thalion one works fine on my A4000/040

Hi alexh, already tested... also launching original installed exe doesn't completely fix the prob...

Originally Posted by Retroplay

I use a 68000/Cycle exact config and there's no glitches whatsoever.
That goes for WinUAE (PC) and WinUAEX (XBOX).
If I use 68020 or above I get glitches in the background/sky.

I use a real Amiga Workbench (I shifted my A1200+B1260+64MB fast etc. HD -> WUAE), so I can't run WUAE in 68000 plain mode.
The strange thing is that also slowing down WUAE emulation (no caches, jit, setting exact chipset timing, etc.) there are still probs with flickering gfx in Lionheart.

[TCD]

Originally Posted by killergorilla

I thought you could get rid of the flickering by pressing 'i' on a normal TV to turn on/off interlaced backgrounds?

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Nope, Gamebase Amiga settings from Belg. Try it with adjustable cpu/chip setting, 3-4 steps from the left.

Try these two tips hexxae It worked for me

[Retro-Nerd]

The strange thing is that also slowing down WUAE emulation (no caches, jit, setting exact chipset timing, etc.) there are still probs with flickering gfx in Lionheart.

If you set these settings BEFORE you start the WHDload version it should for you. Try uae-configuration with the execute startup/execute cleanup commands in the game icon.

http://guide.abime.net/wb3.1/miscwhd.htm

But it's better to have two separate WinUAE setups. One for games compatibility (like ClassicWB) and one for all other Amiga related stuff (Amigakit, AmigaSys etc.)

[hexaae]

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Try these two tips hexxae It worked for me

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

If you set these settings BEFORE you start the WHDload version it should for you. Try uae-configuration with the execute startup/execute cleanup commands in the game icon.

http://guide.abime.net/wb3.1/miscwhd.htm

But it's better to have two separate WinUAE setups. One for games compatibility (like ClassicWB) and one for all other Amiga related stuff (Amigakit, AmigaSys etc.)

Done this already. I tried everything... but I can't avoid background flickering.
I'll try to recontact JOTD and see if he can improve the WHD installer...

[hexaae]

Still can't find a good set-up for Lionheart WHD...
I can play flawlessly all other 238 WHDLoad games I have except Lionheart.
I already tried Match A500 speed, no JIT etc., still nothing.

Who can play WHDLoad (slave v1.4, WHDLoad 16.9) version of Lionheart's 1st level without gfx glitches of any kind? What toolype/WUAE settings do you use?
I use ExecuteStartup=C:uae-configuration cachesize 0 etc. to enable/disable WUAE options in Lionheart's icon before the game is loaded.

Here is an example of the gfx glitches I'm talking about:


It's the only game I can't make work fine with WUAE.

[andreas]

Originally Posted by alexh

Never quite understood why they did a WHDload installer for this game as the Thalion one works fine on my A4000/040

But this doesn't necessarily work on an A4000/060, too, eh?
Often these WHD versions are the only way out for 060 users to have their classic games working.
Those which work fine on your 040, do not necessarily have to work flawlessly on a 060 machine too. Let alone all those Amigas with expansion cards (utter magnets for compatibility problems )

[alexh]

Originally Posted by andreas

But this doesn't necessarily work on an A4000/060, too, eh?

I'll try it later. I bet it does.

[hoborg]

Originally Posted by hexaae

Still can't find a good set-up for Lionheart WHD...
I can play flawlessly all other 238 WHDLoad games I have except Lionheart.
I already tried Match A500 speed, no JIT etc., still nothing.

Who can play WHDLoad (slave v1.4, WHDLoad 16.9) version of Lionheart's 1st level without gfx glitches of any kind? What toolype/WUAE settings do you use?
I use ExecuteStartup=C:uae-configuration cachesize 0 etc. to enable/disable WUAE options in Lionheart's icon before the game is loaded.

Here is an example of the gfx glitches I'm talking about:


It's the only game I can't make work fine with WUAE.

Try to enable "Adjust between CPU and chipset" option in WinUAE CPU and FPU configuration and move slider to left. If didnt help, try to move slider little to right. Should fix graphics glitches.

[TCD]

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Nope, Gamebase Amiga settings from Belg. Try it with adjustable cpu/chip setting, 3-4 steps from the left.

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Indeed much better With this setting and the interlace mode turned off no more glitches

I thought we already had this sorted, but maybe hexaae missed it... twice

[dlfrsilver]

even worse than that, for a lionheart with no glitches, use adjust between CPU and chipset, with CPU slider to the full left, and the the chipset slider fully to the right !

i use 68030+FPU 68882+More compatible.

[hexaae]

Thanks for all you replies friends!
I've already tried MANY cpu/chipset settings but still can't find a "perfect" solution for Lionheart (WHD or not): it still has gfx glitches. I can minimize them and make clouds just flicker randomly but never a "perfect" solution.
You all suggest to change CPU/chipset slider, or Match A500 speed (first things I tried of course) but this won't cure all problems with water and clouds/mountains parallax in the very 1st level. Maybe you "think" it solves the problem because you gave it a quick look, but look carefully.... yes, I'm picky!
...or I have a broken version (I have 3 original Lionheart.exe!! And it's allways the same!)!

Not even using NOCACHE tooltype and "ExecuteStartup=C:uae-configuration finegrain_cpu_speed 256 cachesize 0 immediate_blits". Please, if you know a better setup let me know.
Best cfg I've found is CACHE tooltype and "ExecuteStartup=C:uae-configuration finegrain_cpu_speed 512 cachesize 0", but green water still has gfx glitches.

I have WHDLoad 16.9 [build 4667] (18-Jan-09)

[hexaae]

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

even worse than that, for a lionheart with no glitches, use adjust between CPU and chipset, with CPU slider to the full left, and the the chipset slider fully to the right !

i use 68030+FPU 68882+More compatible.

There is no "CPU slider". You mean the CPU vs Chipset and the CPU idle sliders obvioulsy. Already tried, still glitches.

[hexaae]

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

I thought we already had this sorted, but maybe hexaae missed it... twice

It's not that I missed/ignored that, the problem is that doesn't change a thing Still glitches.

[amiga]

Originally Posted by hexaae

It's not that I missed/ignored that, the problem is that doesn't change a thing Still glitches.

@hexaae:

From Lionheart whdload page: (http://www.whdload.de/games/Lionheart.html ):

" Todo:
- blitter errors to fix
- 2-button joystick control to fix
- gfx glitch at game start "

Try to install it from the ORIGINAL floppies from Thalion themselves, here:
http://thalion.exotica.org.uk/games/.../lionheart.zip

Also, as has been suggested, make a Winuae A500 basic configuration, just for playing games.

[TCD]

Error has already been mentioned in the second post. Just checked it again and I really can't see any glitches. Well guess I'm too sleazy

Does it also happen with the disk version?

[hexaae]

Originally Posted by amiga

@hexaae:

From Lionheart whdload page: (http://www.whdload.de/games/Lionheart.html ):

" Todo:
- blitter errors to fix
- 2-button joystick control to fix
- gfx glitch at game start "

Try to install it from the ORIGINAL floppies from Thalion themselves, here:
http://thalion.exotica.org.uk/games/lionheart/lionheart.zip

Ok...

Also, as has been suggested, make a Winuae A500 basic configuration, just for playing games.

No need. I can play 238 WHDLoad games from my real classic WB3.9 (from the HD of a real A1200 + Blizzard 1260@66Mhz + 64MB ram...) imported into WUAE without problems (I use to load uae-configuration setup before starting WHD games with the ExecuteStartup tooltype). Except Lionheart
I already tried all imaginable degradations anyway and without loading SSeq and using 020 or 030 cpu emulation but nothing to do with Lionheart. Always gfx glitches...
Ad the docs say they are probably unavoidable.

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Error has already been mentioned in the second post. Just checked it again and I really can't see any glitches. Well guess I'm too sleazy

Does it also happen with the disk version?

You can't see glitches? Even if mentioned in WHD docs?
I tried Quickstart A1200 (with 8MB fast) and Quickstart A500 but the games hangs with black screen loading from 1st ADF.

[TCD]

I'm as blind as the two Retro's in this thread
The game should run fine with A500 most common quickstart. Maybe try different disks? I will check later which config works

[alexh]

Originally Posted by amiga

Try to install it from the ORIGINAL floppies from Thalion themselves, here:
http://thalion.exotica.org.uk/games/.../lionheart.zip

That's me, that ain't Thalion. Webshrine = Fansite.