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AmigaOS is not shareware, hence my comments about eventually open sourcing being a likely aim of the coders in question IMHO. Ben/Hyperion make a profit from AmigaOS 3.2 and the 'workers' don't! I don't need to use Victorian England's cotton mills as a case study of why that's generally a bad model do I? I obviously do; Ben would be the guy in the background with top hat on and the coder "having fun with the OS" is the little 'Mule Scavanger' kid "having fun" in the looms! |
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10 June 2021, 16:03 | #622 |
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That's a staggeringly poor comparison to make, and is essentially calling the developers liars with nothing whatsoever to base that accusation on but the disconcert between your opinion and reality.
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Time spent on preserving what once was, so that it might one day find another community which could rediscover and cherish it, seems to be a strange agenda. The legal dispute and everything that comes with it is burdensome for sure and it doesn't make it any easier to put in the time to care for something that's beyond what draws the most attention: the legal battle (watch the flames, bring the popcorn, cheer for your team, discuss strategy and tactics, speculate about what the next season might bring). There will be a day when that legal battle will be over, the dust will have settled and, unless somebody has taken measures, something will have been trampled into that dust which could have deserved better. As for myself, I decided to take measures and sacrifice my time for it. It was not a decision taken lightly and it goes back decades. This is not for everyone and I doubt it is a good precedent for future work. It is irresponsible and irrational to begin with unless you accept this gift as a means to "prime the pump": make the Amiga a more viable tool for creative work than it is now. It sort of works for me, for the time being. |
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10 June 2021, 16:17 | #624 | |
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Literally since day one of A1000 we've relied on a boot screen to tell us that the system was basically functional until you put a disk in. I bet my very first eproms were fine, but since it's a pain in the ass to reassemble a 4000D and all the cables go over the CPU which is over the ROMs, I don't assemble it with drives just to see that my ROMs work. I love 3.2 so far, but this was just mind numbingly dumb. |
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10 June 2021, 16:19 | #625 | |
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That my firend is a very poetic response (honestly) and I accept your point of view. I just wish we could hear the Hyperion side of the story via the long promised Stephen Jones interview or failing that in the form of a poem or maybe a rap/rock ballad I too wish for an end to all this 'behind the scenes' bickering and yes the risk is that what was once valuable will be trampled beyond repair so the "prime the pump" analogy is very powerful (and compatible with Trevor's "keep the party going" slogan)! @Daedalus My point was if ALL you care about is preserving the code then an open source model makes sense. If this is about salvaging a small market for the like of AmigaKit, Cloanto, A-EON AND Hyperion then the status quo is NOT the best way to promote a mutually beneficial outcome! |
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Thanks for the life coaching whether asked for or not! Obviously, there is room for users to get excited about polished 3.1 source code reaching equivalency with OS3.9 but with less kludges (my summary of what OS3.2 actually is sorry if you disagree) and play within the legally grey areas! They ARE currently allowed to purchase OS3.2 and any activity is exciting given the mess of CoffinOS and AROS/ApolloOS being bundled with the Vampire due to a lack of a good alternative to OS3.9! So yes there are shades of grey but I think it is pretty much certain that Hyperion would be forced to settle quicker through lack of money and reduced revenue if no one actually bought OS3.2! That's NOT a pipe dream it's just economic reality! |
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10 June 2021, 16:55 | #628 |
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I just got my CD from Retro Rewind they received their second batch on friday and shipped quickly. At last a Vendor in Canada so I don't have to deal with duties and border clearance.
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10 June 2021, 17:27 | #629 | |
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Name one other computer from any era that just has a black screen when no disks are found. That's not user friendly, it's decidedly user hostile. Any text or graphic would have been better than solid black and an insert disk message might be a hint that it wants a disk. If people can't work out that without a drive they can't insert a disk, they're beyond help. |
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10 June 2021, 19:17 | #631 | |
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I totally understand bugs, I've made plenty of my own but it sounded like it was intentional. I'm just a little on edge because I wasted so much time over the course of 3 days thinking my ebay eproms were bad or that I was doing something wrong. I've really been liking it with my 3.1.4 ROMs though. |
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No problem. About 30 testers , several hardware tinkerers among them (myself included) and not one of us fired up a Miggy with 3.2 ROMs and without a floppy. It seems we‘d need reinforcements.
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10 June 2021, 21:01 | #635 | |
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That line in the FAQ was just worded in such a way as to sound like a design decision. "If you booted your Amiga with no drives at all or none gets detected, a black screen will be shown signaling that your system is inoperable." Other than this one issue though the experience has been great so far. I won't be going back to 3.9 for sure and look forward to more releases. |
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Somebody out there really doesn't want me to use 3.2... Have emailed them again... |
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I mailed them and got an answer that mine is going to be shipped today from Amigastore.eu, I ordered on 26th of May (but I did some changes to my order a few days later).
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To be fair, I emailed them again this morning after posting that update and I got a reply just a few minutes ago with an apology for the mix-up and another explanation of how busy they still are. They also confirmed that they would post my ROM's out today.
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