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I do both those things most weekdays. I normally have Radio 6 Music or the BBC World Service on my 4000 in the background while I'm working. It's perfectly fine on an 060/50 with 16-bit audio out, no Vampire needed. I use IBrowse with 68k.news and Aminet when I break for lunch. I also read Gopher Phlogs with IBrowse. Lately I've been using AmiGemini to catch up on Gemini too. If I wanted to surf more modern sites I could with Netsurf but the experience is better on the PC next to it, that I'm already using at the time. But for most Amiga-related sites it's fine. |
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Just had a gander at YouTube and found this:
[ Show youtube player ] AB3D2 is running really well - impressive! Maybe it is in Vampire territory after all? |
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18 August 2021, 07:40 | #48 |
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Well V1200 cost me nearly £500 with shipping. Pistorm looks to be around £100 so significant cost difference and at 24 MIPs is definitely in 040 territory (but the AB3D2 video would suggest faster?) That's compared to 150 MIPs for my Vampire 1200.
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Well now I'm really confused. For 49,95 € you get an adapter to plug a Raspberry Pi into. It might be 9 times cheaper than the latest Vampire, but is completely useless by itself. Once you add all the bits needed to make it work the price balloons to 132,25 €, only 3.4 times less than the latest Vampire - and 6.25 times slower.
I guess if you have a spare Pi hanging around it might be worth getting a PiStorm to try it out. But a 'Vampire killer'? Hardly. |
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Well, nowadays, you can easily find a 3b rpi for about 20 euros and most people already have a spare micro sd, so, in reality, the cost is not that much.
Now, we just need an A1200 version! |
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18 August 2021, 10:35 | #52 | |
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I expected this, which is why I made the point of 9x a Pistorm for a vampire vs Bruce's more realistic estimate. The pistorm is built for the different form factor Pi 3A+, not the 3b. In theory the connector will fit a 3b. In practice the form factor difference will present challenges putting it in and getting the lid back on. |
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18 August 2021, 10:47 | #53 | |
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So, although I could use an emulated Amiga to do all these NG stuff, (Vamp-specific or not), I find that they run better on the Vamp and some of them run only on the Vamp. On the matter of cost, please tell me what you would need to spend >today< to have an working 060 Amiga with a 3d card and a soundcard, so as to be able to enjoy a fraction of what the Vamp delivers. On the matter of enthusiasm I feel that you have classified me as a fanboy, but you couldn't be further from the truth. I love what the Apollo team is doing, but I have quite a few complaints about the Vampire mainly on compatibility (with classic games) and stability issues, although all of these improve as time goes by. I am also in favour of what the PiStorm community are achieving, although they admittedly have a long way to go, and it is great that Amigans in 2021 are spoilt for choice. |
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@stevelord
well, both 3b and 3a+ are cheap to find second hand, so.... |
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@manossg - you seems to omit the fact AC68080 features do not exist in any classic amiga except those with Vampire cards. Which means games and apps created around AMMX and SAGA features require different binary to run on classic amigas WITHOUT Vampire or won't run on them at all. What is different in this approach than what you get from PowerPC accelerator for classic amiga (concept over 20 years old and proven) ? Well there are some differences. For instance - there's yet another option for classic amiga users beside old phase5 products. It's old sonnet product. Yeah, so no "single source" but expensive b..ch. What else? Well there are way more PPC apps running on AOS3 than AC68080 apps running on AOS3 and also there is an option for "NG OS" like AOS4 or MOS classic. So that direction Vampire loses also. Vampire is a trap. It's something conceived as best 68k and to accelerate retro machines. It does that, true. But with great cost, much constraints (due to fixed Cyclone V A5 77k LE C8 FPGA) and those costly features are still way less than 10$ ARM SoC readily available anywhere. PiStorm atm isn't anything more interesting than A600 Vampire V1 - it's neither fast nor bugfree. But it has so much potential it hurts. At least in comparison what V4SA can do. So I don't know if PiStorm 68k emulation will be faster. I expect it will reach 060 level on Rpi4 at least. I don't know if there will be some native arm code under AOS3. I don't know if there will ever be a/v codecs and 3d accel under AOS3. But all those things are technically possible and way faster than whatever Apollo team might come up EVER. So sorry, I guess you misunderstood my point of view.
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Also, I do not care for OS4 or MOS, unfortunately they seem like dead ends to me and not very NG (although they had so much potential), so please do not divert the conversation. PS. Would you kindly use paragraphs? I am not a native English speaker and walls of text really make reading your posts difficult for me. |
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Why do I have a feeling that people who have Vampire boards are doing everything to justify their purchase (cost is just an arm and bit more ), even they have to admit that PiStorm offer more for much less?!
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Man, what did you add to get to 132 EUR ? rPI 3A+ is around 20 EURos, You can use a 16GB SD card for 2 EUR and the piStorm is anywhere from 25 to 40 EURos... so you would be at around 50 EURos in the end.
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I bet you can get it cheaper, but as a kind of brand-new, "official" indicator it's sort of valid too. I'm not sure how much of the requirement the official 3.xx WB (and Kickstart?) is, but I thought it does matter for more advanced operations. |
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If the pistorm was £11 as it should be, I should have spent £38. The pistorm will not kill the vampire in performance, but it doesn't need to. When faced with a £400 purchase or ~£40 purchase, the majority will go cheap. This is where pistorm kills vampire. |
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