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The ban-hammer starting to smell a little bit like Putin and Trumps censorship love.
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06 April 2017, 10:34 | #642 |
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FWIW his question was entirely clear to me, and a perfectly sensible one at that, your reply was pedantic and obtuse as fuck.
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06 April 2017, 10:36 | #643 |
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Oh please stop with the censorship / big brother etc. remarks. We're all posting on a moderated board where by definition our free speech is restricted, even though the moderation is reactive, not proactive.
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06 April 2017, 10:36 | #644 |
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Soon this thread will be locked and "cleaned"!
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06 April 2017, 10:39 | #645 |
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Cleaned yes, locked no. It has been civil. Please lay off those veiled snide remarks, I don't appreciate it.
I would like to split the metadiscussion away from support.Hardware. What would be a good place? Amiga Scene perhaps? |
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I hope Plasmab comes back and continues with his work and before anyone else badmouths the guy, look in the mirror and tell me the the person you see has never lost it at some time in their lives! |
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06 April 2017, 11:15 | #647 | |
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I'm not saying a ban was the right course of action, but for all we know there was private correspondence prior to the ban and he started attacking the moderator. I was a mod on another forum for a while and certain personality types react *really* badly to being asked to cool it, when you'd think a grown adult would just apologise and suck it up. As ptyerman said, this was always going to happen sooner or later and the specific incident is almost irrelevant - he was a ticking time bomb. Last edited by clebin; 06 April 2017 at 11:41. |
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06 April 2017, 12:04 | #648 |
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06 April 2017, 12:53 | #649 | |
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I got sick of it and created my own space, I only came here because plasmab wouldn't use any other forums. I do have to say that it's frustrating that when plasmab get's into it with someone else he reacts by punishing everyone. I do have issue with that. Though I do understand how, from his perspective, he does all this work and spends his own money and time to help the Amiga community for free, and all it appears (to him) to get him is nitpicking or outright criticism in return. On this side, I take issue with the childish way that the old boys club in these communities wield their ban hammers like they're compensating for some sort of genital deficiency. It happens constantly in every vintage computing forum I've participated in and it's maddening. I mean sure, I understood it back when these computers were new and we were all 12 and running a BBS and using OP status in flame wars to feel like bigshots. But now were all supposed to be grown ups helping each other out to keep a community alive. Again, this is a criticism of the vintage community in general and as a whole, not of a particular forum, though I can't think of one where this doesn't go on. I don't know why this problem is so pervasive in these communities, but it's maddening as hell, especially when it's so clear that most moderation of these kinds of incidents is often neither fair and equal, nor without partisanship. Personally, I think I'd try alternative measures to deal with these issues, but then it's not my house so I guess I'll just wander back to mine. |
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06 April 2017, 13:46 | #651 |
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Overall I think the moderation on this site is pretty even, but without seeing any other communication that may or may not have happened out of our sight we can't be sure there weren't other considerations. A good point was brought up about vintage communities, and I see it in lots of places but nowhere as much as the Amiga community. It seems that when a community shrinks, a higher proportion of "normal", level-headed people leave than the obsessive, over-the-top passionate types. As a result, you get a higher concentration of the over-reactive types as the overall numbers drop, resulting in more flare-ups, and in crazy situations like the Amiga community, fifteen-year-and-counting "camp" wars. It's small wonder people are leaving, and who can blame them for taking their toys with them. |
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06 April 2017, 13:55 | #653 |
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Guys, all I'm gonna say is, the people capable of creating projects like these can usually be counted on the fingers of one hand, and most of the time their name starts with Jens and ends with Schoenfeld. It was nice to have another name on that list. Draw your own conclusions.
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06 April 2017, 14:04 | #655 |
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well... only takes 31 pages..... shame
for those that don't have a copy of the repository - I have a copy of the "2017_3_6" TF530 builds including the TF520 and 68kBreakout boards. I would be much happier if Stephen returns to put these back into circulation however for those that have invested in this, I am happy to help those whom are struggling with the project albeit programming / assembly- all I ask is that you "pay-it-forward" and help others where you can. If you need help, just hit me up in PM. |
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grond is a very direct poster, something Ive seen before. I actually find it rather refreshing, but people differ I guess.
Ive seen Plasmab get rather easily flustered before, which has made me hesitate to post a reply once Ive noticed he got annoyed. Thats fine. We are all different people. That said; both grond and plasmab are active resources for this community, and given their postingstyle/personas it was a perfect alignment of this going wrong at some point. I just randomly drifted into plasmab's youtube channel one day, and found his videos to be very well made and intresting. Ive always hoped that creative people like him took the attention they get as a positive thing, even daft/unrealistic suggestions. Hardware illiterate people probably constitute the majority of retrosite users, and we might get carried away with suggestions. Instead of getting annoyed over it, ignore it, or just flat out say "its not part of the current plans". Banning plasmab seemed to be an extremely bad decision based on whats posted in public view. |
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Should have been locked not banned.
This is not exclusive to retro sites. You should see the real hate at my industry's discussion boards. If there was real enforcement I and many others would have been deported. |
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I remember the days of FIDONet groups, and there was no such thing as a ban button. Things had to be done more diplomatically. Extreme measures involved the user's BBS Sysop, or their local Net, Region, or Zone coordinator to cut feeds if they didn't act responsibly. Ergo the flame wars of the day. Little did we know it was today's social media in it's infancy.
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I didnt expected perm ban. not good :/ |
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06 April 2017, 15:21 | #660 |
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Only Amigans make this possible....
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