The WHDLoad '040 compatibility problems list

Graham Humphrey · 13 February 2008, 13:33

Thought it was about time a thread like this was set up. As I'm sure some of you have discovered, the 68040 processor (maybe even the '060?) does cause problems for some games. So it seemed like a good idea to have a list of the problematic games somewhere for reference, together with a description of the problem. I was prompted to do this by a couple of games that severely slow down on '040 processors that don't on '030s and the like.

If anyone knows of any sort of problem that is '040 related (and not just a bug in the game or the slave) then it would be cool if you posted it in this thread, and I'll keep a list of the games and their problems below...

Games known to have problems with the '040:

4th & Inches: gfx errors in the game.
Apidya: Tends to slow down a lot on the boss at the end of the first stage, and through a lot of stage 2, usually when the screen is very busy.
Charlie J Cool AGA: Contains some graphical corruption, usually while the screen is scrolling. Is actually worse with the Nocache tooltype.
Crackdown: There is a small problem with pause option but it should be fixed soon.
Enchanted Land: gfx errors in the game.
Mean Streets: Works up until you start the game, and then it freezes on that pic after you start and you can't do anything, even quit or soft reset. With Nocache set, you just get a black screen and nothing else.
Monster Business: Game runs but some graphic corruption.
Pinball Mania: Scrolling slows down severely. (Works fine on my Apollo card - could be a Blizzard problem?)
Shuttle: No sound in the 3D sections, also extremely slow 3D updating.
Side Arms: gfx errors in the game.
Switchblade 2: Has corrupt graphics, but it appears to be only on a Blizzard card, works fine on my Apollo.
Trolls AGA: Severe slow down.
Universal Monsters: Heavily corrupt graphics, and crashes early on.
Wiz 'n' Liz: Some graphical glitches that go away with nocache, but then there is plenty of slow down instead.
Zool 2 AGA: Slows down badly as soon as pretty much anything appears on the screen, rendering it almost unplayable.
Zool 2 ECS: Slows down but not as much as the AGA version and not enough to make the game unplayable.

killergorilla · 13 February 2008, 14:02

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You might want to look at this post too...

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=324563&postcount=3

Graham Humphrey · 13 February 2008, 15:06

Cheers KG (and keropi), I'll have to take a look at those games.

Also keropi, you don't happen to know if they are problems just with 040/060 processors, or if the slaves are just bugged generally?

Retro-Nerd · 13 February 2008, 15:11

I can confirm a generally bugged Ghostbattle slave, but the the most games from keropi's list works (at least starts) fine on my 1230 machine.

frikilokooo · 13 February 2008, 15:13

The solution is not to use accelerators

Graham Humphrey · 13 February 2008, 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

I can confirm a generally bugged Ghostbattle slave, but the the most games from keropi's list works (at least starts) fine on my 1230 machine.

Thanks. Also Bubble Bobble works fine too, since the slave has been updated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by frikilokooo

The solution is not to use accelerators

Thanks for the advice

Retro-Nerd · 13 February 2008, 15:32

Iirc correctly there is a crash in Magic Marble or Marblelous too.

musashi5150 · 13 February 2008, 15:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by frikilokooo

The solution is not to use accelerators

Maybe not...

ApanoSin (1.3 English) from KGs pack refuses to run on my A2000-000.

Graham Humphrey · 13 February 2008, 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Iirc correctly there is a crash in Magic Marble or Marblelous too.

Do you mean generally, or just on an 040?

Angus · 13 February 2008, 17:20

Star Crusader initially runs very slowly on an 060 machine, but with Girv's superb patch and the addition of FastExec or similar there are no problems.

Don't know about 040, but is this to do with the 030 having decent chip memory access?

Shuttle is also problematic on processors above 030, well certainly 060.

girv · 13 February 2008, 17:40

The Star Crusader patch redirects the rendering to fastram then c2p's it back into chipmem, I guess that helps a lot on 040 boards with bad chipram access.

Graham Humphrey · 13 February 2008, 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angus

Star Crusader initially runs very slowly on an 060 machine, but with Girv's superb patch and the addition of FastExec or similar there are no problems.

Don't know about 040, but is this to do with the 030 having decent chip memory access?

Shuttle is also problematic on processors above 030, well certainly 060.

Cheers for the info, Star Crusader doesn't have a WHDLoad patch though so that's not really relevant, and as for Shuttle, do you have any ideas what problems occur?

girv · 13 February 2008, 19:45

Shuttle is bugged to heck on 000 as well !

Angus · 14 February 2008, 14:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Humphrey

Cheers for the info, Star Crusader doesn't have a WHDLoad patch though so that's not really relevant, and as for Shuttle, do you have any ideas what problems occur?

Well, I thought the Star Crusader info might possibly illustrate part of the problem, but yes - no WHDLoad slave.

I will look again at Shuttle in the next day or two - it was certainly slow, but there were sound/music issues as well as general instability on the 060. Its a shame because it actually looks like it would be a really nice game at a decent framerate. I gather it had a user definable difficulty level so it was not as complex as it appeared to be. The 3D space effect, and the way the stars are done is difficult to describe, but it looked really effective to me, and enjoyable just to watch the rolling demo.

Bamiga2002 · 14 February 2008, 17:20

Most games seem to be designed 030 processor in mind, thus it's compatibility against 040/060. Add to that the cache slowness/problems of a bppc...

adolescent · 15 February 2008, 00:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Humphrey

Zool 2: Slows down badly as soon as pretty much anything appears on the screen, rendering it almost unplayable.

Should specify AGA. AFAIK, ECS version works fine.

Graham Humphrey · 15 February 2008, 01:19

Ah okay, thanks for that.

Angus · 17 February 2008, 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Humphrey

Ah okay, thanks for that.

Regarding Shuttle, first of all there's NO SOUND in 3D parts of the game, although the loading music is there.
Secondly, and as I detailed, the 3D update is extremely slow - 2 fps, while the on the other hand GUI side of things seems extremely responsive and smooth.

Graham Humphrey · 17 February 2008, 19:35

Cheers! I'll add it to the list

Dwyloc · 19 February 2008, 02:08

Here's some more for your list with problems on my Blizzard 1240/40 Lotus Esprit Turbo Challenge, LotusII and Lotus 3 all need the NoCache tooltype or they crash.

And the scrolling in PinballMania slows down to a complete crawl no mater what you try even though both Pinball Fantasies AGA and Pinball Illusions both play perfectly and are silky smooth.

13 February 2008, 13:33	#1
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	The WHDLoad '040 compatibility problems list Thought it was about time a thread like this was set up. As I'm sure some of you have discovered, the 68040 processor (maybe even the '060?) does cause problems for some games. So it seemed like a good idea to have a list of the problematic games somewhere for reference, together with a description of the problem. I was prompted to do this by a couple of games that severely slow down on '040 processors that don't on '030s and the like. If anyone knows of any sort of problem that is '040 related (and not just a bug in the game or the slave) then it would be cool if you posted it in this thread, and I'll keep a list of the games and their problems below... Games known to have problems with the '040: 4th & Inches: gfx errors in the game. Apidya: Tends to slow down a lot on the boss at the end of the first stage, and through a lot of stage 2, usually when the screen is very busy. Charlie J Cool AGA: Contains some graphical corruption, usually while the screen is scrolling. Is actually worse with the Nocache tooltype. Crackdown: There is a small problem with pause option but it should be fixed soon. Enchanted Land: gfx errors in the game. Mean Streets: Works up until you start the game, and then it freezes on that pic after you start and you can't do anything, even quit or soft reset. With Nocache set, you just get a black screen and nothing else. Monster Business: Game runs but some graphic corruption. Pinball Mania: Scrolling slows down severely. (Works fine on my Apollo card - could be a Blizzard problem?) Shuttle: No sound in the 3D sections, also extremely slow 3D updating. Side Arms: gfx errors in the game. Switchblade 2: Has corrupt graphics, but it appears to be only on a Blizzard card, works fine on my Apollo. Trolls AGA: Severe slow down. Universal Monsters: Heavily corrupt graphics, and crashes early on. Wiz 'n' Liz: Some graphical glitches that go away with nocache, but then there is plenty of slow down instead. Zool 2 AGA: Slows down badly as soon as pretty much anything appears on the screen, rendering it almost unplayable. Zool 2 ECS: Slows down but not as much as the AGA version and not enough to make the game unplayable. Last edited by prowler; 27 June 2013 at 01:39.

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13 February 2008, 14:02	#2
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	I hate you You might want to look at this post too... http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=324563&postcount=3

13 February 2008, 15:06	#3
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	Cheers KG (and keropi), I'll have to take a look at those games. Also keropi, you don't happen to know if they are problems just with 040/060 processors, or if the slaves are just bugged generally?

13 February 2008, 15:11	#4
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,436	I can confirm a generally bugged Ghostbattle slave, but the the most games from keropi's list works (at least starts) fine on my 1230 machine.

13 February 2008, 15:13	#5
frikilokooo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mallorca,Spain. Age: 44 Posts: 1,154	The solution is not to use accelerators

13 February 2008, 15:32	#7
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,436	Iirc correctly there is a crash in Magic Marble or Marblelous too.

13 February 2008, 17:20	#10
Angus Amiga Games Database Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South West England Posts: 1,240	Star Crusader initially runs very slowly on an 060 machine, but with Girv's superb patch and the addition of FastExec or similar there are no problems. Don't know about 040, but is this to do with the 030 having decent chip memory access? Shuttle is also problematic on processors above 030, well certainly 060.

13 February 2008, 17:40	#11
girv Mostly Harmless Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,109	The Star Crusader patch redirects the rendering to fastram then c2p's it back into chipmem, I guess that helps a lot on 040 boards with bad chipram access.

13 February 2008, 19:45	#13
girv Mostly Harmless Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,109	Shuttle is bugged to heck on 000 as well !

14 February 2008, 17:20	#15
Bamiga2002 BlizzardPPC'less Join Date: May 2004 Location: Finland Age: 46 Posts: 3,210	Most games seem to be designed 030 processor in mind, thus it's compatibility against 040/060. Add to that the cache slowness/problems of a bppc...

15 February 2008, 01:19	#17
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	Ah okay, thanks for that.

17 February 2008, 19:35	#19
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	Cheers! I'll add it to the list

19 February 2008, 02:08	#20
Dwyloc Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Age: 47 Posts: 81	Here's some more for your list with problems on my Blizzard 1240/40 Lotus Esprit Turbo Challenge, LotusII and Lotus 3 all need the NoCache tooltype or they crash. And the scrolling in PinballMania slows down to a complete crawl no mater what you try even though both Pinball Fantasies AGA and Pinball Illusions both play perfectly and are silky smooth.

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