james pond 2

albino · 17 March 2018, 01:47

Hi everyone,

I always loved this game on my amiga probably the brightest cute game ever made on amiga. Still i the semi smooth semi jerky scrolling anoy me quite a bit

, my question is...could this game could have had a much smoother scrolling on the 500 if yes where does chris sorel missed from a technical coding point of view?

chip · 17 March 2018, 06:06

I love this game too

There's a problem with the scrolling ?

twenty90seven · 17 March 2018, 06:36

Scrolling is smooth for me...are you running on Amiga or emulator? If on emulator are you running at 50 hz with v sync? Smooth for me on emulator as well.

chip · 17 March 2018, 06:39

Indeed, never noticed a scrolling problem

I use the emulator and it's smooth for me

rare_j · 17 March 2018, 07:53

When robocod gets up to top speed the scrolling can't keep up and stutters.
If playing under emulation I believe this goes away if you enable immidiate blits.

jotd · 17 March 2018, 11:33

BTW If you're running emulation, use the A1200 version...

Superman · 17 March 2018, 12:22

One of my favourite games this one. Can’t say I noticed much slowdown whilst playing either. Always looked and played great to me.

albino · 17 March 2018, 15:21

I'm playing it on an amiga 500 2mb ram (don't like emulated hardware)...trust me the scrolling is not smooth and get jerky quit a bit...

Retro-Nerd · 17 March 2018, 15:34

Looks like a 25fps game with all the blurring/ghosting when the game scrolls. The hand over hand action over dangerous spikes is indeed a jerky effect.

edit: just checked with the refresh indicator in WinUAE. The frame rate fluctuates. Normal running seems stable 50fps scrolling, but jumping/standing on platforms shows a 25fps scrolling. The AGA version though seems stable 50fps all the time. Except this hand over hand action mentioned above.

MigaTech · 17 March 2018, 21:51

All the Robocod titles are great! Although ZOOL and Superfrog were better.

I wonder how many more Amiga titles are going to be presented to newer console players, that do not know their original source?

Mrz · 18 March 2018, 06:08

retronerd is right, the AGA version is smoother

albino · 18 March 2018, 16:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrz

retronerd is right, the aga version is smoother

aga is more powerful hardware...

Retro-Nerd · 18 March 2018, 16:22

The AGA version is quite different. Was released app. 1,5 years after the OCS/ECS version. Different level design, newer level parts, the music sounds clearer, a new end sequence.

PortuguesePilot · 18 March 2018, 17:25

The OCS version is the one I tend to play more, 'cos of nostalgia. The AGA version may be technically superior but it just doesn't resonate as much, emotionally speaking.

Also, I feel that some of the background graphics on the AGA version are distracting and not needed at all. It seems they're just there to "justify" the AGA "upgrade" and serve no real propose at all. Many games that were "upgraded" to AGA suffered from this, it seems.

The OCS -> AGA transition wasn't as smooth as we all wanted it to have been... James Pond 2 is just a mere example out of many.

gimbal · 19 March 2018, 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by MigaTech

All the Robocod titles are great!

The classic ones yes. The remakes done for DS and playstation platforms in the last decade... not so much. The level design just doesn't come close.

17 March 2018, 01:47	#1
albino Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: france Age: 45 Posts: 224	james pond 2 Hi everyone, I always loved this game on my amiga probably the brightest cute game ever made on amiga. Still i the semi smooth semi jerky scrolling anoy me quite a bit, my question is...could this game could have had a much smoother scrolling on the 500 if yes where does chris sorel missed from a technical coding point of view?

17 March 2018, 15:34	#9
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	Looks like a 25fps game with all the blurring/ghosting when the game scrolls. The hand over hand action over dangerous spikes is indeed a jerky effect. edit: just checked with the refresh indicator in WinUAE. The frame rate fluctuates. Normal running seems stable 50fps scrolling, but jumping/standing on platforms shows a 25fps scrolling. The AGA version though seems stable 50fps all the time. Except this hand over hand action mentioned above. Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 17 March 2018 at 16:01.

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17 March 2018, 06:06	#2
chip Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Italy Age: 49 Posts: 2,945	I love this game too There's a problem with the scrolling ?

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twenty90seven twenty90seven Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 196	Scrolling is smooth for me...are you running on Amiga or emulator? If on emulator are you running at 50 hz with v sync? Smooth for me on emulator as well.

17 March 2018, 06:39	#4
chip Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Italy Age: 49 Posts: 2,945	Indeed, never noticed a scrolling problem I use the emulator and it's smooth for me

17 March 2018, 07:53	#5
rare_j Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,176	When robocod gets up to top speed the scrolling can't keep up and stutters. If playing under emulation I believe this goes away if you enable immidiate blits.

17 March 2018, 11:33	#6
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,303	BTW If you're running emulation, use the A1200 version...

17 March 2018, 12:22	#7
Superman Super Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wakefield Age: 48 Posts: 1,334	One of my favourite games this one. Can’t say I noticed much slowdown whilst playing either. Always looked and played great to me.

17 March 2018, 15:21	#8
albino Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: france Age: 45 Posts: 224	I'm playing it on an amiga 500 2mb ram (don't like emulated hardware)...trust me the scrolling is not smooth and get jerky quit a bit...

17 March 2018, 21:51	#10
MigaTech Only Amiga !! Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 588	All the Robocod titles are great! Although ZOOL and Superfrog were better. I wonder how many more Amiga titles are going to be presented to newer console players, that do not know their original source?

18 March 2018, 06:08	#11
Mrz Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: I Posts: 338	retronerd is right, the AGA version is smoother

18 March 2018, 16:22	#13
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	The AGA version is quite different. Was released app. 1,5 years after the OCS/ECS version. Different level design, newer level parts, the music sounds clearer, a new end sequence.

18 March 2018, 17:25	#14
PortuguesePilot Global Moderator Join Date: May 2013 Location: Setúbal, Portugal Posts: 611	The OCS version is the one I tend to play more, 'cos of nostalgia. The AGA version may be technically superior but it just doesn't resonate as much, emotionally speaking. Also, I feel that some of the background graphics on the AGA version are distracting and not needed at all. It seems they're just there to "justify" the AGA "upgrade" and serve no real propose at all. Many games that were "upgraded" to AGA suffered from this, it seems. The OCS -> AGA transition wasn't as smooth as we all wanted it to have been... James Pond 2 is just a mere example out of many.

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