Feature request

Fackamato · 27 December 2003, 20:21

Thought I'd create this thread, to see what features people want in WinUAE

I don't really know what I want yet.. Hm. Serial support can always get some more action..

PPC emulation support would of course be great but nearly impossible..

Hm hm, what do you guys want? D:

27 December 2003, 22:07

I would seriously like to see some DCTV display emulation, as I am a great fan of it.

-scratch` from qnet

Toni Wilen · 27 December 2003, 22:15

PPC: Never. Never owned one, not interested. IMHO not worth the complexity and totally useless without JIT. May not work without MMU-emulation (very complex and slow to emulate). Most PPC games are PC ports.

Serial port? I think you mean serial link problems? I have already explained why serial link play is not possible. (yes, I know nothing is impossible but needed game/emulator specific hacks/fixes are not worth the trouble)

I think the only 100% working solution is to create special hardware board with directly (very low latency) accessible serial port.

bobbybearing · 27 December 2003, 22:33

euh... hmmm
like SainT, but in option, I would like to ear the floppy drive sound

Fackamato · 27 December 2003, 23:23

Quote:

Originally posted by bobbybearing
euh... hmmm
like SainT, but in option, I would like to ear the floppy drive sound

Yeaaaaahhh

For Toni: Okies

Chipmunk_UK_1 · 29 December 2003, 10:10

Believe it or not, I allready did the floppy drive sound thing with an older release of WinUAE, you can grab it here, as I say, it's an older version, without any off the new stuff from the last few releases (i must get the latest sources and update it at some point) You can turn the effect on and off from the floppy tab. The effect is ... different ...

but there you go

enjoy.

Fackamato · 29 December 2003, 16:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Chipmunk_UK_1
Believe it or not, I allready did the floppy drive sound thing with an older release of WinUAE, you can grab it here, as I say, it's an older version, without any off the new stuff from the last few releases (i must get the latest sources and update it at some point) You can turn the effect on and off from the floppy tab. The effect is ... different ... but there you go enjoy.

Holy something! *downloading*

Please update it with the latest

Chipmunk_UK_1 · 29 December 2003, 16:20

Heheh, and that funny little demo that plays music with your floppy drive, does work with this feature, you can "just" about make out the music...

Fackamato · 29 December 2003, 16:43

Hehe

I just thought of something else. Does WinUAE support, or would it benefit from the following: SSE, SSE2, MMX (think it has this

), 3dnow!, 3dnow!2 (don't remember the name of that one) ?

Chipmunk_UK_1 · 30 December 2003, 00:18

OK, here is WinUAE 0.8.23 with Drive Click emulation... Enjoy...

Hopefully, when it's been tidied up, it can be added as a core option in winuae... (lots of work till it get's that tidy tho)

What's probably needed is an option to enable and disable it for each drive, cos at the moment, when it's on, it's on for all drives, and that noise does get annoying when you've got 4 drives setup, and three of them are empty!

Bloodwych · 30 December 2003, 00:24

Quote:

Originally posted by Fackamato
Hehe

I just thought of something else. Does WinUAE support, or would it benefit from the following: SSE, SSE2, MMX (think it has this ), 3dnow!, 3dnow!2 (don't remember the name of that one) ?

Wouldn't have thought WinUAE uses the FPU, so those optimizations are useless apart from MMX.

Fackamato · 30 December 2003, 00:50

Quote:

Originally posted by Bloodwych
Wouldn't have thought WinUAE uses the FPU, so those optimizations are useless apart from MMX.

Okay

Hm, not much posting here... Is really WinUAE complete for you guys (except any unfound bugs etc)?! We need more out of this

Make it bake or something :P

Chuckles · 30 December 2003, 01:52

I'm eagerly anticipating the implementation of the neural net interface in WinUAE myself so that I can finally not be bound by having to use mice, keyboards, joysticks or joypads anymore. I didn't want to sound like I was asking too much of Toni though, so I figured I'd just wait until he gets around to it.

andreas · 30 December 2003, 04:00

Quote:

Originally posted by Chipmunk_UK_1
WinUAE 0.8.23 with Drive Click emulation... Enjoy...

Hopefully, when it's been tidied up, it can be added as a core option in winuae... (lots of work till it get's that tidy tho)

Cool idea and work!

Hmmm. But no sound at all here.
OS is Win98SE.
A crack intro works with sound, thus sound does work, but not clicking sound

Your linking should be changed, too.

- Your build is linked firmly to ZLIB.DLL (complains if you launch WinUAE and zlib.dll isn't in the directory) but due to Toni's modifications in 0.8.23, this new build now needs ZLIB1.DLL!
Currently, you need BOTH: zlib.dll so that it doesn't complain, zlib1.dll so that you can load zip images!

Chipmunk_UK_1 · 30 December 2003, 09:53

Quote:

Hmmm. But no sound at all here.

Did you have the file click.raw in the same folder as WinUAE0.8.23.clickdrv.exe ? (It needs to be in there, or you won't get any clicks... I'll add it to the exe as a resource when i figure out how

)

Quote:

Your linking should be changed, too.

- Your build is linked firmly to ZLIB.DLL (complains if you launch WinUAE and zlib.dll isn't in the directory) but due to Toni's modifications in 0.8.23, this new build now needs ZLIB1.DLL!
Currently, you need BOTH: zlib.dll so that it doesn't complain, zlib1.dll so that you can load zip images!

Hmm... Not sure how I managed that

I'll have a closer look when I get home tonight

Pyromania · 30 December 2003, 10:05

Toni could port it to MorphOS since I sent him a Pegasos for free. It is up to him though.

Fackamato · 30 December 2003, 11:34

Quote:

Originally posted by Pyromania
Toni could port it to MorphOS since I sent him a Pegasos for free. It is up to him though.

Aw that'd be cool

HUGE differences though I guess

And it's PPC based, which Toni hates.. :P

bobbybearing · 30 December 2003, 11:37

Quote:

Originally posted by Chipmunk_UK_1
Heheh, and that funny little demo that plays music with your floppy drive, does work with this feature, you can "just" about make out the music...

?!? this demo really exist ?!? :eek

Toni Wilen · 30 December 2003, 11:50

Floppy sound: will be included someday but it does need updating first, separate common code and sound code (for easier porting, replace sound api with directsound), support for multiple different sounds (A500 internal drive is much more noisier than most external drives) and so on..

Pegasos: I don't hate PPC, I just don't care about non-m68k Amigas.

I don't know about MorphOS but if it supports SDL, shouldn't R.Drummond's UAE port compile without major problems?

Floppymusic: Try enabling cycle-exact for better sound because that "demo" uses CPU timing loops.

andreas · 30 December 2003, 12:43

Quote:

Originally posted by Chipmunk_UK_1
Did you have the file click.raw in the same folder as WinUAE0.8.23.clickdrv.exe ? (It needs to be in there, or you won't get any clicks

)

Of course I have. I've also tried to experiment with Stereo/Mono, and no clicks either.

[edit] OK, sorted it out.
You could have told people that Drive Sound checkbox is next to Floppy Speed!
It was off, therefore no sound.

I simply thought it was permanently on in your test build.

27 December 2003, 20:21	#1
Fackamato Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 144	Feature request Thought I'd create this thread, to see what features people want in WinUAE I don't really know what I want yet.. Hm. Serial support can always get some more action.. PPC emulation support would of course be great but nearly impossible.. Hm hm, what do you guys want? D:

29 December 2003, 10:10	#6
Chipmunk_UK_1 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Royston / UK Age: 48 Posts: 61	Floppy Drive Sounds Believe it or not, I allready did the floppy drive sound thing with an older release of WinUAE, you can grab it here, as I say, it's an older version, without any off the new stuff from the last few releases (i must get the latest sources and update it at some point) You can turn the effect on and off from the floppy tab. The effect is ... different ... but there you go enjoy.

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27 December 2003, 22:07	#2
jerry Posts: n/a	I would seriously like to see some DCTV display emulation, as I am a great fan of it. -scratch` from qnet

27 December 2003, 22:15	#3
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,518	PPC: Never. Never owned one, not interested. IMHO not worth the complexity and totally useless without JIT. May not work without MMU-emulation (very complex and slow to emulate). Most PPC games are PC ports. Serial port? I think you mean serial link problems? I have already explained why serial link play is not possible. (yes, I know nothing is impossible but needed game/emulator specific hacks/fixes are not worth the trouble) I think the only 100% working solution is to create special hardware board with directly (very low latency) accessible serial port.

27 December 2003, 22:33	#4
bobbybearing Zone Friend Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: France Age: 51 Posts: 161	euh... hmmm like SainT, but in option, I would like to ear the floppy drive sound

29 December 2003, 16:20	#8
Chipmunk_UK_1 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Royston / UK Age: 48 Posts: 61	Heheh, and that funny little demo that plays music with your floppy drive, does work with this feature, you can "just" about make out the music...

29 December 2003, 16:43	#9
Fackamato Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 144	Hehe I just thought of something else. Does WinUAE support, or would it benefit from the following: SSE, SSE2, MMX (think it has this ), 3dnow!, 3dnow!2 (don't remember the name of that one) ?

30 December 2003, 00:18	#10
Chipmunk_UK_1 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Royston / UK Age: 48 Posts: 61	OK, here is WinUAE 0.8.23 with Drive Click emulation... Enjoy... Hopefully, when it's been tidied up, it can be added as a core option in winuae... (lots of work till it get's that tidy tho) What's probably needed is an option to enable and disable it for each drive, cos at the moment, when it's on, it's on for all drives, and that noise does get annoying when you've got 4 drives setup, and three of them are empty!

30 December 2003, 01:52	#13
Chuckles The Ancient One Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Kansas City/USA Age: 69 Posts: 685	I'm eagerly anticipating the implementation of the neural net interface in WinUAE myself so that I can finally not be bound by having to use mice, keyboards, joysticks or joypads anymore. I didn't want to sound like I was asking too much of Toni though, so I figured I'd just wait until he gets around to it.

30 December 2003, 10:05	#16
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,375	Toni could port it to MorphOS since I sent him a Pegasos for free. It is up to him though.

30 December 2003, 11:50	#19
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,518	Floppy sound: will be included someday but it does need updating first, separate common code and sound code (for easier porting, replace sound api with directsound), support for multiple different sounds (A500 internal drive is much more noisier than most external drives) and so on.. Pegasos: I don't hate PPC, I just don't care about non-m68k Amigas. I don't know about MorphOS but if it supports SDL, shouldn't R.Drummond's UAE port compile without major problems? Floppymusic: Try enabling cycle-exact for better sound because that "demo" uses CPU timing loops.

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